Gods retribution or opportunism?

Discussion in 'Every Day Debating' started by __________, Feb 12, 2009.

  1. Anakin

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    I think you would be narrow-minded if you did that, but I wouldn't care.
     
  2. Kakashi

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    I think it's narrow minded that you put anti-Christianity quotes.

    and i think you would care.
     
  3. Padmé

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    Personally I wouldn't mind. Why would I? Its not a personal attack. I put certain quotes in my sig not for other people but for myself. The quote I had before these was a lyric for my uncle who was murdered in october. No one knew that, but I did. It was only for him I put it there cause it reflected how I felt at the time. I put these quotes because I agree with them, nothing more. It's not aimed at anyone. If someone put a quote directed at someone in particular in a negative way then that is something else.
     
  4. Anakin

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    These aren't anti-christian quotes. The second quote is not against Christians. It's not like Christ wouldn't join the Christians because he would have something against them...
    And try me... Put in it in your sig and you'll see what happens... You can't know if you don't try.
     
  5. Kakashi

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    It's kind of pointless now :D

    But, I give up. I have homework to do >_>
     
  6. Anakin

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    Sorry Kak, correct me if I'm wrong. I just feel that you've tried to provoke an argument here. I mean I've never seen you in much religious debates, not very active anyway. And now suddenly you become pretty aggressive (not that I blame you, but really it's a misunderstanding imo) I wasn't even aware you were so religious... I've never seen you this defensive about religion before. So is there more to this?
     
  7. Kakashi

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    I'm really not trying to promote an argument. If I was, I might insult God and cause a thread to be closed due to it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I believe.

    Just because I don't debate about God doesn't mean I'm not religious. I guess I should have listened when they said not to debate religion or politics.
     
  8. Anakin

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    Well I just didn't know and yeah I never said you couldn't be religious, I just never knew until now. And yeah religion especially is a difficult subject to debate... I think you've witnessed yourself how I got myself in heated situations, which lastly was all our fault actually. Not just Foin's or mine and Padmé's. Well I think everybody has a different opinion of who's fault it is that the God thread got closed because things got so heated... It's just an example of what could happen in these conversations. Anyway I'll leave you be and again no disrespect intended, Kak, truly. (If I want to offend you I'll just try it with photoshopping more picture of you and Hasselhof:p)
     
  9. Kakashi

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    Those pictures were fun :D

    i'm sorry for getting mad, I was a jerk, and i apologize.
     
  10. Anakin

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    No you're not a jerk, you were coming up for yourself and your belief... I admire that:)
     
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    I think you misunderstood me. I don't blame God. I think it's ridiculous to blame God. The main article that started this thread mentioned some preacher who claimed that God was punishing the victims of a random tragedy for voting to legalize abortion. My point is that really terrible sad things happen to people all the time, sometimes they are so unlucky that it might even seem like someone has it in for them but that's not the case. Life and nature are unpredictable and often tragic, and it is insulting to the memory of the decent human beings who die in random unpredictable acts of nature or other people's violence to say that God was somehow punishing them because they were evil or did something wrong. If God were so good at punishing the bad people of the world then there would be no bad people left, and yet reality refutes such a suggestion. Good people on the other hand die just as often as bad people and there is often no rhyme or reason to it. It just happens. If you want to blame God for making such a world that's your own issue. But to suggest he burned a bunch of people in a wildfire because their town didn't vote to protect the lives of the unborn is at best offensive insanity and at worst dangerous propaganda.
     
  13. curunir's bane

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    "So it goes" as mr. V would say.
     
  14. kartaron

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    The guy in the article doesnt say that at all.
     
  15. Mububban

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    I get the whole free will argument, I really do. He hopes for the best and gives us guidance, but we are aso free-willed individuals who can choose to follow him or not. I get that part.

    But on the other hand, doesn't God have a plan for every life? Isn't everything also "God's will"?

    What possible reason would he have for programming Mr Arsonist to light this fire? Or shoot up a school? Or rape someone?

    If god's will and his plan for someone's life is that easily disrupted (by making bad free will decisions) then how can his will be all-powerful?

    Can someone clarify where the lines are drawn on this?
     
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    The idea of humans having a free-will while being a part of a design is inherently contradictory. Because no matter what, we wouldn't be able to do anything other than what is plan dictates, willingly or not. If the bible says we have a free-will, then it is impossible for God to have a plan for us all.
     
  17. Mububban

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    That's why I'd like someone religious to explain it to me. As I see it, you can't have it both ways. Either our lives are mapped out by fate/god's will so that every single little thing we do leads us down a predetermined path, or we do make our own lives whatever we want to make of them, in which case god's will/plans seem somewhat redundant.
     
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    God's plan, if one exists, is free will.
    One does not necessarilly cancel the other.
     
  19. Anakin

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    Free Will was a gift, not really a plan... And if he has a plan for us, it defeats the purpose of that gift imo... I just have the impression that "God has a plan for all of us", is just to add more mystique to him, or excuse him for his flaws or ours....
     
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    In the context in which Mubabben asked his question, yes it does.
    I believe it's used as a method of closure. A pastor will tell a grieving mother at her daughter's funeral that God has a plan for her daughter, she is in heaven fulfilling God's work, or something along those lines.

    It is also used for other things, but I think my example is along the lines of the most common reason for saying it.
     
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