G20 Summit

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  1. Kelmourne

    Kelmourne The Savage Hippy

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    I have a specific issue to raise about the G20 but anyone can use this thread to talk about anything G20 related.

    So my question is this. Every single time world leaders want to throw a meeting like the G20 or The Copenhagen Conference, people riot. Almost every time the protests turn violent. Huge costs are spent on security and the downtown core of the city is usually shut down for days.

    So why the hell do they keep having these things in major cities, let alone the middle of downtown? Wouldn't it be alot easier to ship the 20 world leaders off on a cruise ship escorted by an aircraft carrier to a non-disclosed location somewhere in the south pacific or something like that?
     
  2. Overread

    Overread Wolfing it up! Staff Member

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    These days with the internet and remote setups they don't need to be in the same room at all - meetings can be held (live) through remote setups and heck many of these big events will have had many of the choices made long before the actual event itself.
    The meeting is a showcase - a visual unification message and as such requires that it occurs somewhere important and where people will see the leaders to meet. Whilst some use this as an excuse to riot* the majority of people don't riot, but see something happening - which is often all that is needed and more than they will see of many initiatives that might come from such a meeting.

    * note there are protesters and rioters - rioters will riot for anything. Generally they don't care about the cause and most will only have a loose understanding of what the event is about. They are the sorts that either just want to "go against the man/the system" and throw rocks at coppers; criminals who use the chaos for crime (either shop raiding, pick pocketing or mugging during the confusion).

    Of course bigger events tend to attract more people, protesters and such and bigger towns will have more potential rioters. However again we have to remember that its not about the town/city but about the nation (or in the case of G10 many nations). The meeting in person is the important visual message to the people
     
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    ~Elladan~ A Elbereth Gilthoniel

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    Can't argue with your logic ~ it's supposed to have cost c$1bn to host the G8/G20 which is a pretty obscene waste of money.

    My vote is to hold them on St Helena ~ one of the remotest inhabited islands in the world. So remote that it's only serviced by a monthly supply ship ~ there's no airfield. It'd take them a few days to sail there from Ascension or South Africa so they'd be cut off apart from limited phone/internet connections, for about a week which would be bliss for the rest of humanity.
     
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    Foinikas Playing backgammon!

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    Let's look at the facts:

    G20 leaders and their associates spend millions of dollars for their parties,chaviar,champaigne and countless hours of meaningless talk.

    Outside all kind of leftist groups THINK they can change the world by demonstrating against the G20 leaders(as if they care behind their well guarded and closed doors).Chaos ensues,the poor policemen and authorities have to go through all that stuff.

    In the end I'm wondering who the anarcho-leftist protesters help more: Chaos or society?
    For one,nobody does a thing to help the poor.
     
  5. Fabled_Tales

    Fabled_Tales Middle Earth Ewok

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    Let's put it this way. There is nothing wrong with protectors. But there are people out there, who don't protest for positive reasons. They are just there because they want to cause trouble, and they think acting like a bunch of spoiled brats is going to prove something and we'll all suddenly wake up. Those protesters, not matter what you do, will find a way to cause chaos. If its on a cruise ship, they'll be out there in their little rusty ship. If its a internet conference they'll try to hack in and shut it down.

    {Off topic sorta} We had a conference about a possible east coast free trade agreement, so the protesters, to prove their point, paint balled a bank, Starbucks, and a chip wagon. Yes, a fry truck. Nothing says 'weighing down the good of north America' like a fry truck.
     
  6. Kelmourne

    Kelmourne The Savage Hippy

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    Not if nobody tells the press where it's located.
     
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    Fabled_Tales Middle Earth Ewok

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    They didn't tell the press about area 51 but yet everyone knows about it! lol I just find it hard to keep anything a secret these days with the information at our fingertips.
     
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    Kelmourne The Savage Hippy

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    That's because you can walk in the desert up to a fence that says "AREA 51 DO NOT ENTER!", where as an armada of ships could not only go somewhere completely out of the way, but also completely unannounced.
     
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    Turambar Harebrained Staff Member

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    hm - I think this is about democracy.

    You see, we are used to democracy. We, that is The People, choose our representatives, which is our gouvernment. And if the gouvernment fails, we can call them to explain themselves. And, of course, vote for another country. The few instances in which this hasn´t been the case have been few - and lead to some of the worst periods in our history.

    The rioters recognise a plutocracy or an oligocracy in these world summits. In this case, 20 of the wealthiest nations, as well as a few other selectees, get to decide on the future of the entire world. Without democratic control. Many people don't agree with this state of affairs. Some become infuriated and spend their last cash to travel to the location in question and protest. Which invertably will turn into a riot at some point in time. This makes sense, because you need to be really, really angry to travel half across the world to make your voice heard.