Discussion in 'Books' started by byzantine warrior, Sep 30, 2003.
who would win
Although I am a big Turin fan . . . I'd have to go with Fingolfin on this one.
so would i
fingolfin definately, he was the strongest warrior of the house of
finwe, even surpassed feanor in the art of fighting.
besides he was the high king, a high king who had probably ages of training behind him.
I'd say he was the strongest fighter who ever was in middle-earth
(besides morgoth that is)
actually Finrod, Morgoth was a very weak fighter, he was reduced to a being likely of Lesser strength than Sauron I think after being cast down for the first time....
Anyhoo, fingolfin...he was just that tat million times more competent
I agree with you that morgoth lost a lot of his original potential
after his first cast down, after all, he was created even more powerfull than manwe himself.
but, although a lot lessened in power ( he lost his godliness and was bound to the limits of Arda) he still possesed a terrible power( as is written) and could still crush fingolfin, in my opinion the strongest elf warrior ever. I also don't belief he was weaker than sauron, after all Sauron was bested by Huan, and if morgoth was actually weaker than sauron I sincerely doubt sauron would have been satisfied with the title of servant.
No i don't belief morgoth was a weak fighter at all.
Hard question. I still don't have an definite answer to it. I would like to say Fingolfin, but that he did not defeat Morgoth (although left his mark) prohibits me from doing so. On the other hand Turin's fights weren't as mighty as fighting Morgoth. I think I might have to re-read both sections before I come to an answer.
Heck, Tulkas beat Morgoth up before he was chained. I'd guess that Tulkas would have whipped anyone in hand to hand.
yes fingolfin is one of my favorite characters to bad he had to die
True, he woulda been helpful in the war of the ring
Orome was also very strong( not as strong as Tulkas, but still)
I think that he too had the potential of defeating Motgoth.
Perhaps, he did spend ages roaming the earth hunting Melkor's evil creatures.
fingolfin most probably, though turin did take out glaurung. meh, though turin was son of hurin, he was not of the line of finwe.
heck, your forgetting eonwe, herald of manwe. he was unmatched in skill of arms, or so the book says
alright well doesnt it say that hurin was the mightiest edain of all time (in terms of fighting) and it also says that fingolfin was the mightiest of the elves (though it says the same for feanor) so your pitting the mightiest elf warrior against one of the tops but not the best man warrior. and since elves are the mightier of the two races i would say fingolfin would win, although turin had that evil fate thing going for him,lol.
tought question, my two favorites.
I think the question doesn't even need to be considered, Fingolfin does a shield-bash followed by a slice, and Turin's done. Sorry Turin was a skilled fighter and all but no Elf, much less a man, could best Fingolfin on the field of combat. I mean really people overestimate Turin's prowess some times. He really was only able to kill Glaurung because of his sword Gurthang. I'm not saying Turin was some incompetent whelp with a cool sword, he was certainly a great warrior, but his sword was a big help.
It also states that he was so fearsome in combat that his foes fled in fear before him, not many can say that, including Fingolfin. My vot still goes for Fingolfin, but I don't think Turin was in anyway overestimated.
I think Fingolfin would win, not just because he was (in my opinion) a better fighter. Weren't the elves tougher and harder to kill than men? If Turin (pity that guy, really messed up in the head) and Fingolfin ever had a battle, and Turin managed to wound Fingolfin, I don't think it would cause alot of damage, unless he managed to score Fingolfin a direct hit of course.
Fingolfin all of the way because of the fact that turin is only a mere man, and not among the eldar... even if he were to be one, he'd not be able to best fingolfin as no non-ainur could beat him.
wonder what would of happened had turambar and fingolfin double teamed morgoth...
Fingolfin took on Morgoth... That's proof enough. At their peak, the Elves were probably mightier than any other race in Middle-Earth, let alone Arda. Turambar, besides, in my opinion, does not have the mind of a warrior. He may fight like one, but he fights with his heart, not his mind. Glaurung was able to take advantage of his ardor. Fingolfin, if forced to, could probably exploit this weakness as well, and ultimately defeat Turambar.
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