elves with beards

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  1. finrod

    finrod Born to woe.

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    As we all know : one of the great differences of appearance
    between elves and men was that elves and their mortal offspring didn't grow beards. yet, in at least one well known case
    there was mention of a bearded immortal, Cirdan. For years now
    I'm wondering how that came to be and I still don't have a clue.
    Is there anyone who can give a reasonable explanation about this?
     
  2. byzantine warrior

    byzantine warrior Autokratos Konstantinou

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    Where did it say cirdan had a beard?:confused:
     
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    Where did it say elves don't grow beards? I can't quite remember. I think I recall Cirdan having a beard though.
     
  4. finrod

    finrod Born to woe.

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    I read it in Unfinished tales or one of the history of middle-earth books I'm sure, I'll look it up and post it.
     
  5. finrod

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    And if ya read the last chapter of Rotk( grey havens u know) you'll read about Cirdan heaving a beard.
     
  6. byzantine warrior

    byzantine warrior Autokratos Konstantinou

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    Well thats just plain weird in my book
     
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    I would assume elves can grow beards, but chose not to. Maybe it's a cultural thing. They don't like the look of facial hair or something like that.
     
  8. Turin

    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    I don't recall the subject being talked about in Tolkiens writings.

    I do know that in the Dragon Lance books Elves can not grow them.
     
  9. finrod

    finrod Born to woe.

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    It really is mentioned, but do not worry once I can get my kid stop squirming I'll look it up and post it.
     
  10. finrod

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    Tolkien mentions it when talking about the princes of Dol-amroth
    and a few other times as well, but as I said, I'll find it and post it
     
  11. finrod

    finrod Born to woe.

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    It is stated in the second half of the story of Amroth and Nimrodel
    in Unfinished tales.
     
  12. Turin

    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    is there a quote?
     
  13. byzantine warrior

    byzantine warrior Autokratos Konstantinou

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    Yeah Finrod post a Quote if you can:) and unfinished tails is like a rough draft
     
  14. Broknpotre

    Broknpotre I know kung fu...

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    Well, if Nienor is right, that would explain why Elrond couldn't quite get rid of that 5 o'clock shadow everytime he showed up in the movie. :D
     
  15. finrod

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    allright, allright here it is,

    ..................................................................................................
    in a note written by my father in 1972 or later, belonging to one of the last writings my father made concerning middle-earth, the inheritance of elvish characteristics in the race of men is mentioned. the most outstanding of those characteristics was the beardlesness of all who could trace their lineage to an elf
    ( it was characteristic to all elves that they had no beardgrow).
    ..................................................................................................
    the choice of words may be unfamilliar to you but that's because I own the Dutch version of UT and had to transcribe them.
     
  16. finrod

    finrod Born to woe.

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    this is really how it is stated in Unfinished tales so I think it is save to assume that Cirdan's is an odd case
     
  17. Turin

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    ahh, good quote, that settles it then
     
  18. byzantine warrior

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    so that proves Elves did NOT have beards
     
  19. byzantine warrior

    byzantine warrior Autokratos Konstantinou

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    I agree with you about cirdan finrod maybe he glued it on:p
     
  20. finrod

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    I knew you guys would understand.

    Maybe he tried to play santa for the elf kids and used too much superglue so the **** thing did't come off afterwards.