Elves vs Dwarves

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Elves vs Dwarves

  1. Elves

    49 vote(s)
    57.0%
  2. Dwarves

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%
  3. Draw

    11 vote(s)
    12.8%
  4. Dunno

    2 vote(s)
    2.3%
  1. azuren82

    azuren82 Berserk got banned...

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    Elves will win this one hands down. Unless you're a heretic who believes in the logic of Warhammer history where the Dwarves won over the elves...
     
  2. Meteorain

    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    I predict a draw.

    Depends on the location, equipment and size of the forces.

    Dwarves can woop some serious ass...dunno why they are so underestimated :S
     
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    Dwarves are tougher, stronger and wear a hell lot more armor...

    My vote goes to dwarves...
     
  4. Meteorain

    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    Depends if the armour has runes or not.

    without runes, armour means nothing to elf magic.
     
  5. azuren82

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    One area that I've found out ages ago is that dwarves are good in rune casting and power. But I don't really see dwarves winning this war in magic and terrain disadvantage. Screw the idea that dwarves have the advantage in terms of toughness and armour. The elves are freakin' good in overall combat technique. All the elves will do in a war is to evade and land a killing blow. That's it, end of story. No matter how tough a dwarf is or how good his armour, he's a total sucker for instant killing blows especially given that heavy armor limit movements and that there will forever be some weakness in the armor so Blackness, as you can see from my arguements here, physique and armor counts for nothing against technique in killing blows. And the dwarf can try some skin toughening magic, but that counts for crap against a trained elf mage. If a dwarven army want to stand a chance of winning against an army of elves, then using runes on the armor and weapons is the only way plus a war of attrition with the latter being much more difficult due to the elves' intellect and the need of the general to be freakin' clever much like Zhuge Liang of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. If elves were weaker than dwarves like what Blackness may say, then the dwarves wouldn't have been pwned countless times by wood elves in the Warhammer world.
     
  6. Meteorain

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    Dwarven technology apes Elves.

    Muskets, Steam Engines (Tanks), rifle, automated weapons. Amazing skill with rock combined with technology and amazing competence in understanding physics aswell as architecture can have amssive advantages.

    Can you even imagine and elf surviving against dwarves underground? They would be absolutely pwnd back to their little fairy land.

    Dwarf slayers are born to fight. Many an elf would have trouble with fighting a Dwarf slayer, mind even a normal dwarf. Landing a killing blow requires patience and the constant need to dodge the dwarf's attacks. Dwarf's are extremely competant fighters.

    Overall combat is not always a good thing. Having specialistations in different fields allows your army to be a specialist in different things offering more variety and flexibility in battle.

    Also to counter the killing blow idea...toughness counts for A LOT against a killing blow. Extreme toughness get's dwarves through what you would think is a killing blow isn't actually a killing blow. There is no insuarance that killing blow is indeed a killing blow until it has actualyl happened. Also...finding that blow in the midst of henctic combat is going to be pretty tough. First dodging the hail of bullets, taking out armoured vehicles, trying to find dwarves who are burrowing underneaths you, and overpowering the rune magic. I'd like to see how an Elf deals with flamethrowers torching them and their cities.

    Again...a draw. Depends on the locations, army size, and equipment.
     
  7. Taria

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    Elves.
     
  8. ~Elladan~

    ~Elladan~ A Elbereth Gilthoniel

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    ^ Who'd want to be an ugly, squat, bearded dwarf over a tall, attractive, graceful elf?

    Although dwarves are undoubtably physically stronger, elves are wiser and faster so could run rings around said dwarves :D
     
  9. Taria

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    Simple as that!:princess:
     
  10. azuren82

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    I admit that there are a lot of elements in this issue like what Met brought up, but still, I go by the stand that elves will win this one. Dwarven technology apes elven technology, but elven battle techniques and tactics own that of the dwarves unless there's a Zhuge Liang in the dwarven army, which is pretty hard given their intellect. Dwarves may have the experience, but their brains are not that good compared to elves. Just think of it this way: dwarven technology rules, but it will account for shit if the engineers sprouted some elven arrows which is pretty easy given the elves' dexterity and techique. I agree that one shot from a dwarven war machine will suffice, but that counts for crap in skirmish war. High elves are not that good in skirmishes by my own estimation, but if it's wood elves vs dwarves in a forest environment (e.g. Athel Loren of the Warhammer world), the dwarves will be pwned for good given the terrain and the way wood elves can screw the dwarven army with skirmish warfare. Moral of the story: dwarves sucks in skirmish warfare. Just imagine a dwarven Slayer squaring off with a wood elven War Dancer. Both are nuts in the brain and both are arguably two of the coolest fighters in fantasy. The Slayer however, will find it freakin' hard to hit the War Dancer where in fact, it's pretty easy for War Dancer to slip in a killing blow in the vital organs. Just calculate the odds here and imagine it as a form of skirmish war in the War Dancers' home ground and the conclusion is that wood elves pwned dwarves. And Met, don't ever say that things will be different in the dwarves' homeground, 'cuz there's never been any examples of wood elves venturing into dwarven territory. At least in Warhammer that is. High elves, maybe although the chances are not high. It's all in the terrain for this fight to a certain extent from my neutral view, but given the intellect differences, I'll say that the high elves can make a decent retreat in the event of terrain and tactical disadvantage, but dwarves won't be able to do that in the high elves' homeground, not to mention that all forms of dwarven armies will be pwned for good by wood elves in their own territory. Plain and simple. And here's one thing for you guys to think about seriously: how will an alliance of elves and dwarves fare against other opponents?
     
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    Wiser? Pfft...do you know how long it takes for an elf to get past his concieted view that everything else is stupid? Most elves are quite immature and too full of themselves to consider other options which makes them naive, and hence vunerable or even stupid in some manner.

    Ok....let's see how long an elf can run around a dwarf for...lactic acid build up would be immense in a battle...so running around them all the time would be stupid as they would tire themselves out -.-

    Also...since when are all Elves wiser than Dwarves? I can hardly see an Elf knowing how to geat through rock, or creature great architecture, or even invent anything remotely past a bow and arrow :S
     
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    ^ :D ~ dwarves are still ugly though :p ~ even the dwarvesses (?sp) have beards :D

    Elves are also environmentally friendly and can 'do' magic. The elven smiths out-made anything the dwarves have ever made. Elven warriors would not only fill the dwarves with arrows but would grind them into the dirt under the hooves of their steeds, not to mention shortening them even further with their superior swordmanship. As to wiser ~ yes the best of the elves are of course wiser than the best of the dwarves ~ look at LOTR ~ the dwarven kings were given 7 rings but managed to lose them all, the elves, 3 ~ how many lost? ~ none.
     
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    Firstly...arrow gotta get past shields plus metal armour. Secondly...Drarven runesmiths can sometimes produce weapons far more potent than any elven forge could. Thirdly...Dwarves don't use swords, they use axes, so ofc their swordsmanship is lower in par.

    The day I hear of an Elf taking out a Dragon better than a Dwarf will be when hell freezes over :S

    Is all your Elven info branched only from Lotr?
     
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    ^ nope although obviously Tolkien's works provide the most in-depth analysis of the superiority of the elves :)

    PS There's not a traditional army on foot , wielding axes, swords or similar, who could stand against a mounted cavalry attack in history or fantasy (with the exceptions of trolls or giants).
     
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    I don't know who would win, because both sides have their advantages.

    For example:

    Dwarves
    -strong
    -good weapons
    -good armors

    Elves
    -agile
    -good archers
    -wise
     
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    I'd prefer to ride the dragon personally ~ elves are far more likely to achieve that, than a dwarf :)
     
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    Dude, I really have this feeling that Met is an anti-elf unless where drow are concerned... now I really know how it feels to be part of the numerous people here who disagree with him lol! XD
     
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    Elves :D
     
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    Dwarves:short,fat,slow,slightly stupid.
    Elves:taller,light-weight,fast,great eyesight,smart

    all-and-all Elves win
     
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    Elves: Dying race, homosexual (hence the dying race), naively stubborn, lack technology, cannot produce any real architecture, have a low pain threshold, snap like twigs.

    Sorry did I do some noobish bashing?

    People please try and give some sort of reasoning to your comments. Saying "Dwarves are dumb" and leaving it at that doesn't really help your arguement.

    Also...Elves are actually shorter than an average human...depending on your source...but generally shorter :p

    Lol, since when is a Dwarf slow or stupid for that matter?

    Elladan: Nobody rides a dragon unless it gains some benefit out of that. Actually a Dwarf has already flown on a Dragon...Flint =]
     
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