elves over men?

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  1. Bard

    Bard Erchamion

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    I know that in the silmarillion and the lord of the rings, men are portrayed most of the time as being kind of ruffian-like until felagund met beor and taught him the tounge of the elves. but if there were to be a challenge of brute strength or overall skill of fighting, who would win, elves or men?
     
  2. boromir_the_ranger

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    i say the elves if it was the same nuber of men & elves, elves would surely win big time. they are better in most things than men
     
  3. Bard

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    I personally like the fighting style of men, the elves may have more skill with certain weapons, but men also have their strongsuits...
    we cant forget the fight between turin and saeros (sp?) in doriath in The Silmarillion.
     
  4. byzantine warrior

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    I think if the elves had no bows men would win but the elves have superior range weapons. and you cant beat that!
     
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    If all weapons were available, the men wouldn't be able to come within 300 yards of the Elven army. If no bows, then I say they would tie.
     
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    Men are stronger than elves physically. I would think if the two were engaged in a sword battle the odds would be even because the man would have more physical strength but the elf would have more agility.
     
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    what do you guys/girls think would happen if one elf against one man engaged in a fist-fight?
     
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    A man would win in a fist fight, the elf would be too concerned about mussing his hair. ;)
     
  9. Turin

    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    True, but Turin was one of the best warriors ever, of any race. That might be an unfair comparison. I belive that Tolkien wrote somewhere that as men grew stronger, the elves grew weaker. He probably used the words Waved and Waned or something to that extent. My input is that If the battle were to occur in the first age, the Elves would win. By the second age I'd say that the two races were pretty evenly matched, with the rise of Numenor and all. The third age has to go to men though. They've come to dominate most of Middle earth by the war of the ring.
     
  10. Anduril

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    Elrond is described as strong as any warrior.
     
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    if elves ever fought the haradrim or wildmen in the third age who would win?
     
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    I think the elves would win. For one thing, the elves didn't need sleep. For another, the books clearly describes them as being hardier than men when it came to wounds.
     
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    I started wondering... is it actually said anywhere that men were stronger than elves, or is it just a common popular belief stemming from the classical image of elves or fairies as something aerial? I think I remember someone telling once that Tolkien didn't support such notions about elves.

    Yes, but it isn't a dominance gained with physical power, in my opinion, elves were willingly withdrawing from the affairs of Middleearth. I've also always had the impression that the ''Waved and Waned'' was used for describing a mental state, not a physical one.
     
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    I agree with the people that say physically men are stronger and would definitely win a purely physical fight. If weapons were involved, it would most likely lean towards elves, but u gotta take into account which warrior of men would be fighting
     
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    elves would win, they posseses great strenght!
     
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    men are way better than elves becuase of adrenaline man it rushes through your system and ou keep going then die a slow agonising death after it fades later
     
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    If a battle between the Elves and Men of Middle Earth took place, there would be many factors that would lead to the victory of one of the two races. The numbers invoved, the grade of technology(weapons and such), the physical location where the batttle took place, the season, how close reinforcements are, the age in which the battle took place... it would be a hard thing to predict accurately. I myself am biased in this debate as I am much more inclined to cheer for Elves than for Men. However, Elves do have one advantage Men can never have: knowledge and experience. I think that if the Elves decided that they truly wanted to be rid of Men, then it would only be a matter of time - something the Elves have much excess of - before the race of Men was ridden into the ground.
     
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    elves are better cause htey are pertyer
     
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    I would say it would depend on the skill and strength of either army, but i would say (With the exception of Easterlings) that Elves are better.
     
  20. Sanor

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    Well i think that in war every excisting weapon is useable and because elven have most of wizards, healers and best of magical weapons it would be victory to elves. But magic is kind of minimal in midle-earth and most elvens dont want use magic because it breaks the world harmony (Unles it comes straight from valar) Then it depends that are the elvens in attacing or decicive side. because if they are in decicive side its still theyre victory.