I guess we will have to disagree to disagree on the whole plant feeling pain thing. I see now that you were just making most of it up for debating sake. If you did truly believe all that stuff you wrote then I hardly see how you could eat plants and still sleep at night. As for vegetarians who condemn other people for eating meat, I believe I already personally said several times in this thread that I also hate vegetarians who try to push their ideals on meat-eaters with absolutely no reason at all. Just like I don't like it when meat eaters state I am unhealthy or make jokes on my behalf or state I am wrong simply for what I eat. I'll only ever share my opinions about meat with meat-eaters if they trigger me by first having a go at me about being vegetarian. It especially annoys me if they do this using misinformation, outdated ideas and incorrect facts. Most of my friends and family eat meat. I don't care as long as they leave me along about being vegetarian.