Discussion in 'A Song of Ice and Fire' started by Turin, May 28, 2005.
I said Gregor. He's big. He could sit on Jaime and squish him!
Can we get a context for these guys fighting? Because if it is a huge melee then the outcome would be much different than if it were a tourney. Then we have the difficulty of deciding who would win against who because it is different for everyone. ex: anyone would have a really hard time defeating Gregor with the exception of Syrio because Syrio's skill is in his speed and avoiding blows and with a slow opponent like Gregor it wouldn't even be a contest between the two (look to ASOS martell really only took like 1 hit from Gregor) but again I think that Syrio would get rocked by Barriston. But Barriston would have at best a 50/50 shot against Gregor....
All in all the whole thing to me seems like a Rock Paper Scissors no clear winner
Would it be like a melee? or would it be duels, with each fighting all of the others? or would it be tourney style? Anyway, I went with the Hound.
I just glanced at Kaks post, and I basically said the exact same thing as him. Great minds think alike?
Gregor could sit on Jaime and squish him in a great melee OR a tourney.
Barriston Selmy has proven himself over and over. He may not be fansy, but he can and will get the job done.
The Hound would destry Grandpa Selmy.
I'm not sure...The Hound or Syrio Forel, but the other ones are strong too.
I don't know how anyone could not vote for Jaime. From reading the books I think it's clear to say he was supposed to be the best swordsman during the time. I thought the Poll meant Barristan as he is now and either way I still think Jaime couldve taken him. Someone mentioned that Jaime was only taken into the King's Guard to piss of Tywin, but that was also when he was 17. He was in his early 30s and in his prime when the books began. I think he's clearly a better swordsman then the Hound or Gregor. Their strength and verocity just doesn't beat his strength and skill just like Gregor's size and strength didn't beat the Viper nor would it beat Jaime.
You could argue that Gregor's size/strength DID beat the Viper. Not everyone can take a spear through the torso and live.
The Viper got himself killed by taunting Gregor. He clearly outmatched him with skill and agility though. Jaime would likewise do the same...except he's a much smarter combatant and wouldn't have taunted him and got himself in a situation like that. And a correction to my earlier post...Jaime was 15 when he was brought into the King's Guard not 17. I messed up. He was 17 when he killed the Aerys.
Also I was thinking about it and you could make a claim that Garlan Tyrell could beat everyone of these choices in a duel himself. He is made out to be an excellent swordsman in the novels.
Pish posh. If Garlan Tyrell was the good one we'd all be gushing over him instead of Loras.
Oh wow, its so hard to choose! ....hmm, I'll go with Selmy. He is awesome. 8)
Hmm. I chose Jaime, with his hand. Barristan is extremely good, but he is getting old. He would've been my second choice, though.
Do they have to be alive to be in this? (jamie doesn't have a hand but we pretend that he does) I thought that Arthur Dayne and Gerold Hightower were better than the Young Bull, I mean one was the lord commander so he had to be a badass. I think that any of the above could whup the shit outta Jamie on his best day. And we've forgotten about the Halfhand better than anyone with his off hand. Jamie isnt worth shit without his good hand.
Unarmoured, probably Syrio Forel, with Ser Barristan Selmy second choice.
Armoured, Ser Barristan Selmy, with the Hound second choice.
Final answer, Ser Barristan.
Don't underestimate old men. We've learned many nasty tricks over the years. That's how we got to be old men in the first place.
Well put, Greybeard
Barriston (in prime)
Didn't Ned Stark say that in his hayday Selmy was the best swordsman of his time.
Or was that one of the best...can't remember. *shrugs*
Barristan the Bold.
He never said that about Barristan. I can't remember specifically, but if he said that about anyone it was Arthur Dayne. He was always built up to be this exceptionally great swordsman. I think people are overrating Barristan too much as far as individual swordsmanship. His greatness comes more from the fact that he was just an excellent all around warrior in general. How great you swing your steel isn't everything and I think that's what Barristan encompasses. Of course he is a great swordsman he is/was a Kingsguard, but that isn't everything. If anything the guy who drives that point home is Jaime. He was pretty easily caught because he was predictable. He is as great as any individual warrrior, but was utterly predictable as a general.
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