Drizzt or Zaknafein

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Who would win in a fight?

  1. Drizzt Do'Urden

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  2. Zaknafein Do'Urden

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  1. Meteorain

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    The variety of experience leads onto learning more from fights. If you fought the same thing again and again you don't learn anything new and you stagnate in your fighting. That is why Zak never managed to think linearly enough to find a counter to the double parry low.

    Fighting against different foes also keeps you on edge instead of expecting the same thing every time, and as before with learning new things.

    Fighting a drow isn't the only thing that matters, how can it? How does only fighting one thing make some one better? That's like saying the best Karateka is the best fighter of all martial arts because he's beat all other Karateka. Leading on from that Drizzt isn't just any drow, he doesn't fight like every other drow.
     
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    Actually, in this situation it does. This is drow vs drow. Not drow vs dragon or giant vs goblin. The experience Drizzt gained from fighting other things isn't going to help against zak for reasons previously posted. And I would have to say you're incorrect on "he doesn't fight like every other drow" after all, most drow specialize in two weapon fighting style... not to mention Zak is the one who trained drizzt and sculpted him into the fighter he is now.

    But I think you may be correct on one thing:

    If it were a contest of who would kill a baselisk quicker,,drizzt would win.
     
  3. Meteorain

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    It's not so simple as Drow vs Drow. Drizzt isn't an ordinary Drow. He doesn't think or act or even fight the same way as nearly all other drow. Experience versus other drow counts for little. Experiences versus other type of creatues counts as tricks can be translated and tried in their fight.

    Again the wider experience also allows for more lateral thinking to gain the upperhand. Zak is too used to fighting against a specific norm which Drizzt does not follow.
     
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    Drizzt would lure Zak into a double lower cross guard which Drizzt would then counter with a kick to the face.
     
  5. Kakashi

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    While Zak and Drizzt were fighting, Guenevere would come behind Zak and maul him.
     
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    ehh... you could say the same thing about Zak not thinking, acting, or fighting the same way as other drow... I mean a "good" drow is unheard of (except drizzt of course) but I understand what you mean. But that's also why I think Salvatore should write a book on Zaknafein. Yes, he fought and killed drow for centuries.. but who's to say he hasn't engaged in combat with something much greater,,,maybe Lloth herself? The possibilities are endless. And I'm pretty sure he was going to write about him..what ever happened to that?

    Also I think comparing Drizzt and Zaknafein in combat would be similar to comparing Aragorn to Elendil in lotr. Drizzt is good, that I don't doubt. I consider him a watered down zak and until he's reached the age that zak was at, I don't see him winning.
     
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    and right after that Zak lops of Drizzy's head for using such a wussy move :p
     
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    actually he improved the way to block a "double thrust low" as it was called. It used to be to just cross both swords down, but somehow Drizzt was able to get his foot between there and kick the person back or something like that :p

    But I think Drizzt would be able to beat Zak in a fight
     
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    You're right Zak doesn't think like other Drow but that doesn't matter to Drizzt who's always alert for something due to fighting so many different things.

    Hell at the age of merely 19 he achieved what Zak could not in his 400 years of fighting.
     
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    and what was that?
     
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    Well, Drizzt and Zak did fight seriously when Matron Malice rez him and sic the shit to Drizzt himself. With that being said, I applaud Drizzt's ability to fight a stand still with his rezzed old man albeit ****er can't be killed at that time. I think I remember seeing somewhere in Zak's FR stats that he's actually a whooping lvl 24 fighter. Only problem is that Wizards of the Coast might have retconned it big time since I saw that shit before WOTC ruined everything. :S As for the time where Drizzt goes Hunter mode, fyi it only happened during three stages of his life, namely during his days in the Underdark, his return to that very same area during the first Legacy of the Drow book and the entire Hunter's Blades trilogy, which is the part where you said he was killing the shit out of orcs and giants. tbh tho I'm not too sure if he went Hunter mode during the climax battle with Obould. Can't ****ing remember. >.<

    Well, that double parry thing was the exact stuff I'm talking abt here. Thanx for going further in defining it. :) And yes, Drizzt is indeed more versatile than Zak in fighting different opponents. It's like a generalist vs specialist I guess. :)
     
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    Wrong. Eilistraee is there for a reason. And you forgot Liriel Baenre. :S
     
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    Counter to the double parry low ofc.

    Azuren: Erm don't you remember Azuren, Eilistraee is dead in the new edition.

    But yea, there have been a few cases of Drow turning out good. Infact from what I've managed to gather from the D&D world is that the Drow were initially good but turned "bad" after the Crown Wars. It wasn't their fault really but then they began to harbour that shit as hatred and went bad as it were.
     
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    well, ellistraee was the only drow goddess asked by correlon to remain with the seldarine.
    she chose to remain a dark elf and be banished along with her mother and brother as a counter to their evil.
    her death in the modern timescape is irrelevant. it still gave a choice.
    and one of the mystras chosen is a drow, so theres another.
    and yes, who can forget the annoying lirriel Baenre.
    however, onto point.
    Zak not only fought Drow, he destroyed an Avatar of Ghaundaur in Menzoberras web, and retrieved the dagger owned by the same, which now rests in the demonweb pits with Mistress Lloth.
    in a fight between Drizzt and Zaknafein, a lot would depend on whether or not Zak had a chance to use his secret weapon, the light pellets. a devestating device which caused immense pain to infravision users and allowed the user in for a quick kill.
    also, i wouldnt say zaks weapons were inferior, just specialised, since he was a weaponsmaster he was barred from participating in the bloodings on the surface, therefore didnt need elven made weapons. he still carried 2 drow longswords +5 as well as Drow Chainmail +5, as well as a whip he was very profficient with
     
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    Ermmm... I was refering more to drow in menzo... sorry :D

    and I guess I did forget Liriel :p
     
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    Liriel is from menzoberranzan.
    adopted daughter of Grommph
    anyway.
    in the simulations we ran at the rpga
    DRIZZT won 8/10 times.
    interestingly, when we changed Zak to evil,
    he won 6/10
     
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    :D how would allignment have on effect on that? hah
     
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    well evil people know how to be deceptive to people that are good, such as begging for mercy and such, but not really meaning it

    good people are noble :p
     
  19. Dreyr Tatosian

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    Ya and also if you allowed Drizzt to catch up to Zak in age, he would almost surley win due to his constant expierince, remember Zak did train everyday, but Drizzt fought for survival more often.
     
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    when zak sacrificed himself to save drizzt, he was a lvl 24 fighter. at that stage Drizzt was a level 20.
    never before had a single drow warrior gotten so much one on one training with a weaponsmaster.
    once drizzt trained under Mooshie he lost 6 levels but gained the ability to critical strike.
    (in feats he has master critical strike, criticals on 16-20 on d20. a 19-20 is an instant kill)
    i've noticed a lot of people mentioning the creatures drizzt has faced that zak never did.
    lets compare.
    drizzt has fought yokhols and the demon errtu.
    zak battled an avatar of ghandaur, as well as an army of ghauropers, while underwater
    drizzt battled a basilisk.
    zak battled through menzoberras web, destroying giant (25') spiders.
    drizzt battled illithids.
    zak and 3 other weaponsmasters wiped out an illithid invasion and slave nest bent on enslaving menzoberranzan.
    drizzt destroyed Dantrag Baenre.
    zak HUMBLED uthegentel, agreeing not to kill him if he shaved off his amazing hair.
     
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