Discussion in 'Rants & Scams' started by Liadan, Jul 8, 2009.
Seems reasonable enough. I shall do my best not to get banned.
Rep'd for having a cool username
It was only going to end one way with that post.
(Posts random picture for occasion)
omg epic lollage.
rep for youz.
Quality of this thread over time:
Good, bad, super bad, then ABSOLUTELY AMAZING
I <3 you Skyanide.
Trolling griefers is fun lol
Cylon iz scary bossman...
Im so pleased with the outcome of this thread!
That .gif(gif, right?) is amazing
Ive been hanging on to that one for a long time. Waiting for the time to strike!
As I've said before, if you're a guest in another man's house, you respect his rules whether you like them or not. You're always free to leave if you can't.
A person can protest a perceived injustice. A mature person can do it without resorting to name calling and insults.
One thing the years have taught me is that you never change a person's mind by showing your ass.
PS: I'd rep you, SKY.
But apparently I haven't spread it around enough. (Who'd have ever thought that about me? )
Unless they were saying you don't have an ass, right? Then showing it would totally change their mind.
Hmm, how could I have missed out on this thread?
Anyway, I've read this all and I think it's all a matter of communication.
It seems we forget that everyone is entitled an opinion. Everyone knows this - it's one of the few basic rights the Western society has been built on. And that includes all opinions, especially those which are not quite in fashion - or acceptable even.
We also seem to forget that we're not all from the same cultural background, which means we've all got a different frame of reference. What goes in one country simply doesn't in another. I'd say The Netherlands is a nice little experimental ground for pushing the boundries. In due course of time I've learned that - by far - not everyone agrees.
This is good. Debate is about disagreeing. Disagreements are exactly what seperates debates from conversations. It enables us, for instance, to break free from local dogma - or at least learn something from other cultures. However, it's something one needs to keep in the back of his mind. You're in a debate to disagree. Otherwise, there'd be no point. What has gone wrong in the past, though is, that in our eagerness to defend our opinions, we rather attacked the opinion of our fellow-debaters, forsaking the first point I made.
Now, something interesting happens. There were a few members with rather unorthodox opinions. And the reaction to some of these were rather hideous, since any number of members would join in to condemn the opinion. Apart from not respecting one another's opinion, the result could be called cornering. It's something Liadan omits from her Third Post.
On the matter of Foinikas... I am not an anthropologist but he is mediterranean and both his opinion and reaction are predictable. Anglo-saxon values don't necesserally apply. It's something everyone could (maybe - should) have learned by now. We need to respect that.
On the matter of darkfox - it's strange, but although I agree with him on certain matters, I couldn't have agreed less with his style. I've tried to explain that his way had a reverse effect on the situation as well as those opposing his opinion, but he wouldn't or couldn't listen. One could easily say there were some unresolved issues in him, I don't know. Taking our time with him might have brought us - and him - some more peace and reason. But it's clear we didn't let it come that far.
I've tried to point this out on occasion, especially to darkfox. People don't want this sort of debate and leave the whole thing be. In short, a few of us take the right to debate from the bigger numbers, cutting down on the very diversity which makes debate so interesting. I know for a fact that a lot of people don't visit the debate section anymore simply out of fear not to be able to control emotions or get yelled at for their opinions.
Nobody is implying that people can't have different opinions. I'm not a religious person in any form myself, but I understand that people have the right to believe in what they want to believe. And that the way to debate doesn't have to devolve into slurs and flaming.
Unfortunately, this isn't a therapy session. If someone has anger issues, get them resolved; your fellow members shouldn't have to bear the brunt of your behaviour. I'm a fairly liberal person but at the same time staff can't sit idly by and let one member abuse others simply because they have a "problem".
Staff members tried to convince a change in behaviour was necessary but when the person is unreceptive and stubborn the final solution was to remove that problem.
Look at you Turambar coming in here with your logic and sense and application of knowledge.
Shame on you!
In this case, I believe you were right. What I did imply, however, was that we, the members, didn't have the patience. Through this, the situation became - and stayed - extremely volatile.
The reactions from the admin team, however, seem to be a logical outcome.
This one wasn't about reason, was it?
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