Dark Eldar and Dark Numenorians. What are they?

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  1. dwarf tosser

    dwarf tosser "What the Deuce?"

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    Is there any recorded history of there being dark eldar? I know there's dark Numinorians (i.e. Mouth of Sauron) but there was never really a back story.

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    Nienor Administrator Staff Member

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    The term dark elves is sometimes used to refer to the Moriquendi or Avari. They are considered dark elves because they never saw the light of Valinor.
    Eol is called a dark elf in the Silmarillion. But, still it refers back to the fact his an elf who never saw Valinor. And still prefers the twilight that he was originally used to.

    I don't remember anyplace in the Silmarillion where elves are in league with Sauron. They have more knowledge than men. I would assume they understood what kind of being Sauron is.
     
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    dwarf tosser "What the Deuce?"

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    thanks.

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    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    I can't remember his name, but the Elf that forged Gurthang and it's sister sword was called a dark elf.
     
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    Eol perhaps?
     
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    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    was it Eol? If so, sorry for the redundancy.
     
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    Arwen Well-Known Member

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    just looked it up..yes, it was Eol.
     
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    theres not a lot on dark numenorians, except that they were in numenor the "kings men" which were a group that became unfaithful to the valar. Numenor had many harbors in middle earth thus when sauron allied himself with the kings men (or took control, lol) they worshiped him and after the destruction of numenor many of those dark numenoreans survived in those harbors.
     
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    dwarf tosser "What the Deuce?"

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    I felt like making a pointless post

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    Well, one of the Dark Elves was in league with Morgoth.

    Although I think I learned that from the Unfinished Tales. (Highlight the rest of the text for spoilers).

    The term "Dark Elves" seems to be pretty fitting, considering that Eöl tried to kill his own son, and that it was Maeglin, Eöl's son, who betrayed Gondolin by voluntarily revealing its location to Morgoth.
     
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    byzantine warrior Autokratos Konstantinou

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    the only elf that helped morgoth was maeglin who was threatened with torment
     
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    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    It appears that the term "Dark Elf" would have two meanings in Tolkiens writings.
     
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    Well, many were threatened and didn't surrender (Maedhros f.e.), I think that Maeglin was lead to betrayal by his own greed.