Cold War,Prophecies and the future.

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  1. Foinikas

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    I won't talk much at least not now,I just see that everything that the Orthodox Christian Prophecies and what the Saints and Fathers of our Church have said are coming soon and things that didn't make sense 10 or 20 years ago and especially 200 to 1500 years ago or so make perfect sense now.

    What the Orthodox Fathers foretold about the "nation from the North" that would destroy the Ismailites(Turks)and free Constantinople and the City(Constantinople)of course becoming Greek again is coming true.About a huge war that would happen in Constantinople and the area of the Byzantine Empire where nations would slaughter themselves and in the end the biggest nation would win and the war would be stopped in a miraculous way,a sign of God and the last Orthodox King,the Chosen of the Lord who would rule and bring justice and peace but only for a short while.

    For now here's a part from yahoo:

    Moscow has reacted angrily to the proposed U.S. missile defense system, parts of which would be located in Poland and the Czech Republic. Despite U.S. assurances, Moscow has said it sees the missile system as a threat.

    The chief of Russia's general staff, General Yuri Baluyevsky said that since 1945 the U.S. had made little progress on anti-ballistic missile defense and some of its much-touted anti-missile systems were "raw or even untested."

    "The one who still believes today that he will be able to intercept 'a few Soviet rockets', makes a serious mistake," he told a news conference. "But let's not drive such scenarios to practical implementation of this utter madness."

    Washington says the shield is designed to intercept missiles from rogue states such as Iran, not to counter any Russian military threat.

    Baluyevsky said that if the U.S. gave no positive response to President Vladimir Putin's proposal to locate part of the shield in Azerbaijan instead of eastern Europe, it would mean the actual target of its missiles was Russia.

    Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Kislyak echoed Baluyevsky: "This radar will not be able to monitor anything except Russian bases," he told the news conference.

    Asked what steps Russia could take if it felt threatened, Baluyevsky said: "If we feel a threat to Russia's national interests, it will be minimized ... including by military means."

    He said Russia's newest short-range Iskander-M missile system could be used to stave off such a threat.

    Baluyevsky said he expected Washington would turn down Putin's offer to change the sites used for the missile shield.

    "In my view ... the question of placing elements of the missile defense system in Europe has already been decided by Washington," he said.

    Putin and U.S. President George W. Bush are expected to discuss the issue early next month at a meeting in Maine in the United States.

    Baluyevsky showed journalists video slides with various U.S. rocket systems and even a U.S. documentary publicizing missile shield plans.


    And here's an Orthodox prophecy written(or found) years ago:

    The fire will start from a small crisis / war cry is coming from Bulgaria.
    Russia suddenly invades Turkey / And like a gushing waterstream conquers all of Persia.
    And going forth unstoppable towards Palestine / Antichrist wants to become god in this world.
    Then the nations of the West all come together / woe to the nations of the North, they all turn to dust.
    With great rage does the bear defend in Turkey/ which did great injustice to Greece, and turns into fire.
    In vain does the Bear try to hold the straights/ and in the end shall she stand no more.
    That is because from the East, Korea, Mantzouria USA invades along with Japan/ and march full speed towards Siberia/ while in the west front Germany is winning/ and then shall it be impossible for Russia to hold/ and shall abandon the Straights/Turkey and Egypt.
    The Bear is hit from everywhere/ and lives in a great rush/ like the undisciplined cattle
    Then shall the treacherous Turkey be defeated/ for she will commit great treason.
    Because, after she is conquered whole by Russia/ she will ally with her and Bulgaria/ For this all Christians that live in the City (Constantinople) and in the neighbouring lands must all leave.
    For the City will burn/ and noone will remain alive in her.
    Only the temple will remain standing in her/ the temple of the God’s wisdom/ which will remain an eternal light of Holy Orthodoxy/ from where the Light will come out and illuminate the world/ of Christ's reign and the world awaits.
    The first phase of the terrible war is over/ all this terrible suffering is not enough, Lord?
    And then a new war will start to break out/ and woe to man for what he has to suffer.

    The matter of the City (Constantinople) will then again be once more in the middle/ and the world will be entangled and will not be able to untangle.

    Immeditately does sorrow kneel down to Crete/ and the passions and hatred get lit up.
    Since the powerful of the earth will be let down/ then shall war happen, which none has ever happened/ woe to the evil ones for noone shall remain
    Then shall Greece neutral, and always disjustified/ her right will ask for/ and ready she will be/ without interfering.
    Then will she talk when the Lord’s voice/from the heavens is head for her to be given her right. Then the nations will be slaughtering each other with great ferocity/ in the vicinity of the City for the straights.

    Then will the calf be drown in blood / and then will the clean up begin of the wheat from the chalf.
    In the Sea where a ship is found will none remain/ and from the blood will the Sea become red.
    The City will burn whole, and not even a trace will exist/ of man carnalist because much has she commited
    Only the temple of the Lord’s Wisdom/ the Jewel of His Bride, His Holy Church. Three days shall the battle last/ and he who comes alive out of this shall have great luck
    18 Nations with great ferocity angered/ will be slaughtering without sense, bathed in blood. The third day exactly, those who are exhausted from battle still alive will be startled to see/ up high in the Heavens in the right (direction) places/ that a star brighter than the Sun will exist.
    And from below the star a Cross will shine/ in flames, burning red, and startled will the nations/ hear from the Heaven a voice/of an Angel, all out of a sudden, that will make them stand in one feet.
    The Weapons shall they drop to the ground, and frightened/ the star will be gazing like petrified. Stand the Voice will be heard. Stand in one place/ For enough has the blood of man been shed. Rush to the right (direction) place/and follow the arrow that comes out from the Star.
    And there shall you find a man/holy of those who belong to me.
    Shepherd have I chosen him to me, so that he may guide my flock.
    Him have you also elected a shepherd, so that he may guide/my sheep, that wander alone without a home.
    Night shall My Voice be heard and the world terrified/ from the Voice of the Buggle will remain startled/And straight shall the arrow be directed towards the South in Greece/from where the heavenly light will shine like a torch.
    Then shall ambassadors reach Greece/with great delight shall Greece respond.
    Then shall Greece rise first with her army/ so that she will fulfill her holy purpose.
    To conquer without fight, her holy places/ which her enemies had conquered, and all the world acknowledges.
    Then shall the refuges with great delight/run to their places like flying eagles.
    Then shall the greek King, the chosen of the Lord/ which in everything shall be perfect and in the earth/ will rule with justice/ and the earth will take great delight in her constant peace.
    The weapons of war will turn into tools/ and plows for farming/ and peace and happiness.
    Will rule everywhere/ and like brothers people will live/ on the earth and will not ask/ one another human whether he is a stranger/ but will be called brother from Adam’s side
    Greeks come back from the dead this is the truth/ don’t be outwitted by the unbelievers that it is false.
    All this will come, the time is getting closer/the universe is shaking and you are not scared: the great plight is coming to destroy the wicked/ and from the earth without remorse to whipe them off.
    Take the decision and with great logic think/ if you want to live and forever be saved/ that you all repent and turn towards the Divine/ for no other that this is there salvation.
    The war that is coming has never happened before/ to such a great extent and so murderous, and neither shall happen again.
    If the wheat is not cleansed from the chalf / and the worms(virus) will burn like the dry grass.


    So the fire will start from a small cause,cry of war comes from Bulgaria etc.

    1.Greece and Bulgaria are partners of Russia for the Burgas-Alexandroupoli gas pipe.Turkey has threatened Greece about this matter,about the pipe.One more threat from Turkey against Greece.So if Turkey attacks Greece or Bulgaria that will hurt Russia's interests and Russia will intervene.
    2.Then the nations of the West all come together.Look what I put from the yahoo news section about USA and Russia.What do you think?
    3.Turkey allies herself with Russia after she is defeated by Russia and destroyed by the her old Allies.We now see that USA is angry with Turkey and almost everybody in the European Union doesn't like Turkey.

    This is a part from an interview of a pilgrim with a Father from Mount Athos in 26.10.2001:

    J.: We are happy to receive you. You have our profound respect and best wishes.

    P.: Thank you, Father, for seeing us. The times in Russia, now, are both terrible, on the one hand, and complex, on the other.

    J.: We pray that the Russian people might return to their natural state, that which existed prior to the destruction, because we have common roots and are taking to heart the situation in which the Russian people find themselves.

    P.: There are many woes, of course. Drug addiction is rampant. There is the degeneration of our nation.

    J.: Things are now in such a state of deterioration -- a condition that is common throughout the entire world, at the present time. And it is subsequent to this specific condition, this precise limit, that the wrath of God will begin. We have reached this extreme. And it will now happen that what the Lord, in His mercy, formerly endured, He will now, acting in accordance with His righteousness, chastise, because the time has now come for that.

    There will be a war, and wars, and we will experience great difficulties. World power has now been seized by the Jews, and their goal is to annihilate Christianity. The wrath of God will be such that all those secret foes who are bringing about this state of affairs will be destroyed themselves. It is for this purpose, in particular, that the wrath of the Lord is being sent down: in order to destroy them, in one way or another. But this should not unduly frighten us, because we must always have hope in God. Because thousands, millions of martyrs, including our New Martyrs, suffered in exactly the same way, and we must be prepared for this and not be unduly frightened. There must be patience, prayer and hope in Divine providence, on out part. Let us pray for the renascence of our Christianity after this war, after everything that awaits us, in order that the Lord might truly give us the strength to restore all this. But this evil will have to be endured.

    P.: And how soon will Russia be reborn after that?

    J.: Everything has now begun; now, there will be a great explosion. Following this, there will be rebirth.

    P.: Many icons, now, are streaming myrrh. We have an icon of the Saviour, which is exuding blood.

    J.: And here, in Greece, too, many are streaming myrrh. The word is that the Saviour is weeping, and the Mother of God is weeping, and the icons weep.

    P.: They bring an icon, and there is a clump of blood on it, like this: it's a paper icon and so fragrant..., imagine. They took it in for analysis and it turned out that this was plasma.

    J.: This is the beginning of these events, troublesome events, military ones... The movers and shakers of this evil are the Jews. They are being prompted to do this by the devil, in order to start this,... in order to destroy the seed of Orthodoxy in Greece and in Russia. This will be their chief obstacle to world domination. And they nevertheless will compel the Turks to come here, to Greece, in order to begin their work; and Greece, although she has a government, does not, in reality, have a government, as such. She lacks strength, and the Turks will come here. This will be the moment when Russia, too, will move her forces, in order to repel the Turks. Events will develop thus: when Russia goes to Greece's aid, the Americans and NATO will attempt to prevent this, in order that there might be no union, no merger, between two Orthodox nations. They will also arouse other powers, such as the Japanese and others. There will be great slaughter upon the territory of the former Byzantine Empire. Of those who perish, there will be some 600 million, alone. The Vatican will also participate greatly in all this, in order to impede the growing role of Orthodoxy and prevent such unification. Thus will Divine providence find its fulfillment.
    P.: Of course. All the prerequisites exist for this, for all these events. But there is also the fact that there is such opposition in the media. World hierarchs ... {illegible} .... And how long will the president maintain this line? Is it a good one that he is holding to now?

    J.: God will permit the destruction of all those who are sowing these temptations, pornography and drug addiction. And the Lord will so blind their minds that they will destroy one another without receiving any satisfaction therefrom. The Lord will permit this precisely in order to bring about a great purging. As concerns Putin, that time will not last long, and there will be an immediate war, and he will not be around for long. But, following this extensive cleansing, there will be a great renascence of Orthodoxy, not only in Russia, but throughout the entire world; such a great surge of Orthodoxy. The Lord will extend His blessing, His Grace, just as had been the case in the first few centuries. Then, when people went to the Lord with an open heart... This will last for 3 - 4 decades, then the dictatorship of the antichrist will quickly set in. These are the terrible events that we must endure; let them not frighten us, because the Lord will shelter His own. Yes, we will surely experience difficulties, hunger, and even persecution and much else, but the Lord will not abandon His own. And those who are placed in positions of authority should compel their subjects to be with the Lord, the more; to abide in prayer, the more; and the Lord will shelter His own. The condition that will prevail following the cleansing will be one of a great renascence.
     
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  2. Foinikas

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    Prophecies by an Anonymous Author
    The following prophecies were penned by an anonymous author in the year 1053 A.D.

    1. Great European war.
    2. Defeat of Germany, destruction of Russia and Austria.
    3. Defeat of Turks by the Greeks.
    4. Strengthening of the Turks by Westerners and defeat of the Greeks by the Agar.
    5. Slaughter of Orthodox peoples.
    6. Great distress of Orthodox peoples.
    7. Entrance of foreign armies from the Adriatic Sea. Woe to those dwelling upon the earth; Hades is ready.
    8. For a moment the Turk is great.
    9. New European war.
    10. Union of Orthodox peoples with Europe.
    11. Defeat of France by the Germans.
    12. Revolt of India and its separation by England.
    13. England will be restricted to only Saxony.
    14. Victory of the Orthodox peoples and general slaughter of the Turks by the Orthodox.
    15. Uneasiness in the world.
    16. General despair on earth.
    17. Battle of seven nations at Constantinople. Slaughter for three days and three nights. Victory of the largest nation over the six nations.
    18. Alliance of the six nations against the seventh nation, slaughter for three days and three nights.
    19. Cessation of war by an angel (God-Christ) and handing over the City to the Greeks.
    20. Submission of Latins to the infallible faith of the Orthodox.
    21. The Orthodox faith will be spread from the East to the West.
    22. Fear and trembling of the barbarians under the faith.
    23. Cessation of the Pope and proclamation of a Patriarch for all of Europe.
    24. In fifty-five years the end of the tribulations. On the seventh there is no one afflicted, no one exiled, returning to the arms of the rejoicing Mother (Church).


    Thus shall it be and may it be thus.
    Amen. Amen. Amen.
    I am the Alpha and the Omega.
    First and last.
    In the end there will be one fold and one shepherd of the true Orthodox faith.
    May this come to be.
    Amen. Amen. Amen.
    (Servant of Christ the True God.)



    I believe that until 12 or 13 all that has happened and we are waiting for the rest to happen soon.
     
  3. Alchemist

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    The problem I have with prophecies is how vague they are. They are so vague that one does not recognize them until they have happened. They are vague or guesses. One just has to look at history to see how things might turn out in the future. There are always going to be wars. So predicting them, in my opinion, takes no effort what-so-ever.

    I really do not believe in many prophecies.
     
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    But predicting them in such accuracy and see the events slowly turning out as they had been foretold must mean something,right? ;)

    And just to inform you prophecies by Orthodox Saints and Fathers have become true.The ones that haven't become true yet are the ones that are about the future.

    All this has been a part of Greek tradition for centuries.Take the Fall of Constantinople for example.There prophecies that the City would fall during the reign of an Emperor with a name Constanine and his mother's name would be Eleni just like the first Emperor of the Byzantine Empire,Constantine the Great.There were also prophecies that the City would fall when the moon would be full and it would disappear etc.

    The Last Emperor of the Byzantine Empire was Constantine Palaiologos and his mother's name was Eleni.During the siege of Constantinople there was a full moon and a 3 hours eclipse happened.After that there was fog and that was something very unusual for that city especially in that period of the year.Also the icon of the Virgin Mary fell without anyone doing anything wrong,during a procession and couldn't be lifted from the ground for much time.Imidiatelly after that if I remember correct there was heavy rain and people were even in danger.

    And after the Fall of the City there was the legend of the Marble King,that would come again when the time was right and drive the Turks out of our lands and take back Constantinople.
    Well this is the King the prophecies talks about.
     
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    I must say Foinikas, you start some interesting threads. I don't really believe in prophecies and whatnot, because as Alchemist said, they are usually too late. When things are foreseen why aren't they prevented? I know, because the prophecies are too vague thus rendering them useless.
     
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    All they are to me, are vague descriptions and when something happens that has some resemblance to an open interpretation prophecy people get all excited and say "See, they predicted the future!" When they really didnt.

    If they were true predictions we would be able to see what will happen in advance and therefore be able to prevent disasters. But that doesnt happen. At all. And if the person making the prediction or the person who reads it and recognizes that its about to come to pass and does nothing to prevent said disaster, letting thousands if not more die, then those people are evil.

    Now this doesnt mean I completely disregard all things like this. I happen to believe in supernatural and paranormal things. But when it comes to religious prophecies, especially religious prophecies, they are all vague, have thousands of interpretations, are never realized until too late, and they are all the same. There are more fakes than real. Vast amount. I right now can make predictions of war and guess what, I will be right because war will always exist.


    If memory serves me correctly, you posted a link to an orthodox "miracle" site quite a while ago. These so called miracles where just cloud formations, camera malfunctions, glares etc.
    To me if these things are "miracles" then the "prophecies" have even less credit to them.
     
  7. Foinikas

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    Prevent it?I don't know if you can prevent it.

    Like Father Paisios had said "Men have their own plans,but God has his own plan".And he foretold many things that did happen.He died in 1994 and he spoke of this war as well and of how the Russians give Constantinople back to us not because they love us but because that would be the only solution in their problems.And about how Turkey would get such a "slap" and that Turkey would be literally erased from the map,that Turkey would become a vast wasteland.And that also the Kurds and the Armenians would get lands from Turkey and we would take lands from Turkey of course.

    From a site:RUSSIAN AND GREEK "END-TIMES" PROPHECIES --
    DO THEY REALLY "CONTRADICT" EACH OTHER?





    There are those who are of the opinion that the GREEK prophecies and the RUSSIAN prophecies dealing with the "End-Times" appear to contradict one another. But, is this really the case? If anyone actually takes the time to study -- if not, let us say, ALL of them, then, at the very least, MOST of -- the prophecies in question (of which there are MANY MORE than just a mere TWO, extending chronologically even from Old Testament times -- those of holy prophets such as Esdras [3 Esdras 12, 32-34], for example -- to our own day), he will realize that, far from competing with each other, they actually serve to COMPLEMENT one another (not unlike the so-called "Synoptic" Gospels and the Gospel According to St. John).

    In addition, the vast majority of these prophecies state that Constantinople will be liberated from the Turks, either by the Russian Nation (specifically so-named), or by a flaxen-haired people (and/or their Ruler) from the Northern Land (a common designation for Russia).

    There was an inscription, for example, upon the tomb of Emperor St. Constantine the Great, which prophesied the coming of the Russians.

    St. Methodios of Patara and Emperor Leo "the Wise" (otherwise known as "the Philosopher") also left a large number of extremely extensive prophecies to the effect that...

    "The Russian people ... will vanquish the adherents of ... Ismail [the reference here is to the Muslims, in general, or to the Turks, in particular, as being the descendants of Ismail, Abraham's son by his Egyptian maidservant, Hagar - Trans.] and, will occupy the Seven-hilled City [of Constantinople]..."

    St. Methodius of Patara (+ ca. 311-312) even goes so far as to refer to the Ruler of this Northern nation by the titles (in the Slavonic translation) of "The Tsar'-Autocrat and the Grand Prince of Moskovia", over eight centuries before the first hut in Moscow ever saw the light of day -- and over twelve centuries before ever there was an autocratic Tsar' in Rus'.

    The Ruler of this Northern nation will replace the Crescent atop Haghia Sophia with the Cross, converting that structure back from being a mosque to being an Orthodox Christian Temple.

    "The Orthodox Cross will gleam upon [the Cathedral of Ste.] Sophia in the Royal City [of Constantinople. And the City ...] will be filled with the smoke of frankincense and with prayer, and will blossom like unto an heavenly white lily. A great destiny is foreordained for Russia. Therefore will she suffer, in order that she might be purified and kindle the light of revelation unto the nations."

    "Forechosen by the Lord-God Himself", this Orthodox Monarch will arise "in exile" and will be the last Orthodox Christian Ruler that this world will ever see -:

    ("Stand, stand in awe!" [the voice of Christ will be heard to say, following the liberation of Constantinople.] "Run, hasten, to the lands to the right [of Constantinople, i.e., to the North]. There ye shall find a man renowned, wondrous and brave. Take him for your Master, for he is My [Christ's] friend, and those who carry out his will do thus fulfill Mine own....");

    Spiritually splendid but brief will be the reign of this last Emperor over the entire Orthodox Christian Oecumene, lasting for but "the space of half an hour" (Rev. 8, 1), apocalyptically speaking, for he will ultimately surrender his Realm to Christ -- after which will come the End of the Age and the Final Judgment.
     
  8. Alchemist

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    Heres another problem I found with these prophecies.
    You appear to pull some from Revelation from the Bible.
    Yet its spattered here and there, in your posts, "orthodox" this and that.
    I have owned many Bibles in my time, and read them all. Many versions and I have not found one part where it says the "orthodox" church at all.
    This is more proof that all these prophecies are interpreted differently and are open enough to put in ones chosen belief.
     
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    Crap, when did this one come true? I'll have to pay a lot for shipping seeing as Saxony is part of Germany....
     
  10. Foinikas

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    These prophecies come from Saints and Fathers of the Orthodox Christian Church.I don't know if any parts of them are in the Revelation.This is what has been told or written by Saints or Fathers who lived from the Byzantine times up to now.

    Yes your Bible does not say "Orthodox Church" because the Bible or if you want,the New Testament was written in the very first years of Christianity.

    Christianity was once one.There were no Orthodox(I mean in name,because in belief that was Christianity) or Catholics or Protestants or Evangelists or Maronites or Baptists or Lutherans or Pentacostals etc.

    There was one Church of Christ.Although there were cases of heresies.But in 1054 there was the Great Schism between the Eastern Church and the Western Church.The Eastern Church continued all these centuries like it had been handed to us by the Apostoles of Christ and the first Christians,thus called "Orthodox Church" from the Greek "Orthodoxy" which means "right belief".In the West however the Pope declared himself infallible(that's the word right?)and the Western Church changed a lot of things,especially in terms of dogmas and beliefs and became known as the Catholic Church.

    No I do keep saying that they are Orthodox prophecies because I want to make it clear that it's not something random,it's not something like Nostradamus' prophecies or other things that have been told by various people over the centuries.

    And I did post this subject here because these prophecies are describing what is to happen so clear and with so many details,that one must be so "blind" not to see that it's not something random like "oh there's gonna be a war...oh the Americans might win...or the Russians...oh the world will be destroyed" etc.

    And I posted it because you can see the time drawing near to all that!

    Look at that!It mentions Persia!10 years ago or 20 years ago Persia wasn't one of the hottest spots of the planet(save for the war with Iraq that they had)as it is now!
    10 years ago EVERYBODY believed and many still believe that Russia was worthless,that it was not the giant it used to be,that Russia was economically destroyed and the only power in the world was USA.Now look at Russia's power again!

    And some more stuff that may indicate that all these prophecies may happen very soon:
    1.Saint Kosmas Aitolos(who died in the late 18th Century if I'm not mistaken or early 19th Century)had said among many other things that did find fullfillment that in the year when there will be 2 Easters and 2 summers the "desired"(event)will be near.There was even a programme on TV about this.And this year in Greece we had 2 Easters(The new-calendar Orthodox Easter and the old-calendar Orthodox Easter matched in date this year)and as for two summers...I don't know that I leave it up to you to figure it out.Is it hot enough?Will it be hot enough as if we have 2 summers?Or long enough to look as if we have two summers?The "desired" one is the return of Constantinople back to the Greeks from what I understand.
    2.It has been told by many Saints and Fathers of our Church that all this will happen(or the Apocalypse will be near,I don't know about this very well)when the Jews destroy the Mosque of Omar in Palestine.A few months ago I read in yahoo that they have already started digging under it.
    3.Father Paisios had said to some people(he died in 1994)that they will see all that.


    And about Father Paisios,he is a very popular and well-known figure in Greece,he was a monk,an Elder and he is considered a Saint.When the Soviet Union was still powerful and Brezniev was the leader back then,people found it hard to believe him when he was said that the Soviet Union would fall.He also foretold the war in the Balkans and the destruction of Yugoslavia.

    He used to say that the Turks will get a very hard "slap".

    P.S.Crusader I don't know about that.I said maybe up to 12 or 13 it all that have already been fullfilled.I don't know about that.
     
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  11. Alchemist

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    All of this still falls with other "prophets". Nostradamus "predicted" many of the same things. But guess what, the meanings were so vague that they could be put to just about any significant event. He was not a real prophet. Just good at what he did.
    I believe 99% of all prophets are good story tellers. They are gifted with the ability to make people think they are predicting the future.

    You can say that they are "saints" "fathers" or whatever, but that doesnt make them prophets in my book.
    These tellings of the end-times are obviously christian "prophecies", but if you follow that same line the christian bible also warns us of false prophets.

    And if they are true...so what. Why should anyone worry themselves and disrupt their happy lives just because "The End Is Near".

    Prophecy or not man will eventually die out, whether it be divine or just natural.

    I have had too much of false prophets in my life. The only time I will believe a prophecy is if God comes down to me personally to let me know.
     
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    Foinikas Playing backgammon!

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    You're the typical atheist guy I'm afraid.You don't look for signs(I don't mean to make them up or want to believe in signs that aren't true)but instead you want God to come down and talk to you just so you believe in Him.Tell me then,don't you think God could simply force people to believe in Him?Like Elder Paisios had said "God wants man to believe in Him because He is good".

    However,that's why I'm posting all this here.So that when they happen you(plural) see which is the real faith and believe.Although I think when all this happens,the sign in the sky etc.you will believe.

    There have been false prophets on this world through the centuries.But these were not false prophets.They were Saints,they were people holy to us.God allowed them to know what will happen,God revealed to them what will happen.I want to inform you that they have also helped many people and knew many things about people.All the things that they had foretold did become true from what I know and the ones that didn't become true yet are waiting to be fullfilled.

    These are signs of the times that we live.They have been told or written by these men,these holy men and you see now the signs that the time is coming.The time is near.
     
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    Alchemist The Fighters Guide House Member

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    First off allow me to laugh at your "typical atheist" remark. ROFL
    I am a Christian, just not one who believes every cloud formation or camera trick as a miracle and sign from God, nor do I believe every Prophetic Guess by some old man as truth. I use my brain. God gave it to us, God gave us Science for a reason and the ability to rationalize logically. Just because I dont believe these so-called "prophets" does not make me an atheist, it shows that I am not going to believe some old man just because he is a "saint" or "holy". I follow the teachings of Christ. Thats all that is asked, to follow Him, accept Him. I am not asked to believe every person who comes along making the claim they are a prophet. In fact if someone says they are a prophet then that makes me 300 times more than likely not to believe ANYTHING that they say.


    Why should I "look for signs" if you "look for signs" you will see whatever you want to. I can go outside at this moment and "look for signs" of the future or "look for signs" in the clouds and glare from the moon. You see what you want to see. If you go into something with your mind fixed and ready to see or interpret it you will see or interpret it the way you want to.
    Scientific Fact.

    And again you say these people are "saints" , like that actually means something. Its just a simple Human-Made title to either make them feel good about themselves or to "honor" a so called good person. Saint is a word. That is all. The Bible doesnt call people saints, or tell us to make saints out of men.

    I can assure you that all those "saints" are not perfect people, and just because they are "saints" by your and/or some Religions view does not make them incapable of being wrong/false or just flat out liars.
    You also say "Holy Men". That in itself is a contradiction. Men (humans) cannot be Holy. We are sinners. Always have and Always will.
     
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    First off then,you're a heretic for me we don't believe the same things.No mister,it's not "every cloud formation" and I know you're talking about those pictures in which there was a clear sign of a big cross forming I mean HOW USUAL is to normal clouds and somewhere near them TWO LONG and thin lines forming a cross clearly?And again that doesn't mean that miracles are only in photos like that.

    You follow the teachings of Christ you say,so did these men.They didn't claim they are prophets,they Grace of God lived inside them they were humble people and full of love to Him and to humans and that's why the Lord allowed them to know or to see what will happen in the future.

    If you read more carefully you'd see I didn't say and I noted it,I didn't say "go out and look for signs"in the sense of take everything you want as a sign from God.But be more
    open-minded when it comes to signs from God,to miracles.Some things are clear and still too much skepticism makes you not see them.

    Yes it means something.It's not that people give them a "title" and call them Saints.It takes a lot to earn thast title and mostly it is proven by your life and by some other things like God's Grace living inside you,being an"item" of selection by the Lord,being able to see things,to know things about a person without meeting him before and doing miracles both during your life on Earth and after it.A Saint's body takes much longer to dissolve and their relics have a beautiful scent.

    I can assure you that all those "saints" are not perfect people, and just because they are "saints" by your and/or some Religions view does not make them incapable of being wrong/false or just flat out liars.
    You also say "Holy Men". That in itself is a contradiction. Men (humans) cannot be Holy. We are sinners. Always have and Always will.


    Only Jesus Christ was perfect man and perfect God.We humans are not perfect,we all make mistakes,but the Lord gives us the chance to become "Gods by Grace" if I can say it in English like that.You do forget that men can repent and become so humble.If a man can't be Holy what's the purpose of man on the world then?You do believe in the salvation of the soul don't you?

    Now the topic isn't about God or Saints I remind you,it's about the material of these specific prophecies that are about something to come soon.
     
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    Crusader Disturber of the Peace

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    Openmindedness works both ways, you have to be open to both belief and skepticism. Explore every opportunity rather than trusting one in particular.
     
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    Foinikas Playing backgammon!

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    When you are certain that something is the truth then you believe it.That's why you believe it,because you think it's the truth or else you wouldn't believe in it.
     
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    Crusader Disturber of the Peace

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    I believe faith and belief is worthless unless questioned, it is meaningless to say you believe unless you have considered the alternative first and then chosen the former.
     
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    Haven't we all?
     
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    Crusader Disturber of the Peace

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    Doesnt seem like youre doing much questioning of these prohpecies.
     
  20. Cascador

    Cascador Who's Anakin?

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    I'm not entirely sure....about what Crusader said that it's useless to believe in something without having faith in it.

    Placing your faith into something sounds a lot like religion...which is not really what I am connected to...I'm connected to nothing concerning religion...thus I think I haven't put my faith in any God or former....I do believe in certain ideas....that is imo why belief is better than faith...believing in an idea is different...cause an idea can be changed...faith cannnot.