Character Discussion : Tyrion Lannister

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  1. Briarwolf

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    I believe that if Tyrion was born a "whole man" then he would not have the noble heart. Sure, that heart might be there at all times, but it would not have had a chance to shine through being a proud member of House Lannister. He had to suffer through the hardships of being a dwarf son to arrogant Lord Tywin in order to have that heart. The same thing with Jaime... He had to suffer defeat in battle, ghastly imprisonment at Riverrun, a harrowing journey through central Westeros, and the maiming before his noble heart shown through. And then at last he is relieved to see his family again and they shun him! Before all that, Jaime was a murderous soldier of the Lannister House, and was quite content at being that as long as he can have his sister.

    Tyrion is not the most honorable either, even after all. He killed Shae and Tywin, his lover and his father, despite their turning their backs on him, they were his family more or less. And he was very sneaky about it. Don't get me wrong, Tyrion is also one of my favorites and I understand and sympathize with why he did that, but he did that for bitter vengeance and to promote chaos in the kingdom. I don't think Tyrion is all that good-natured. I think he is good-natured when he needs to be, but I also think he is not as evil and conniving as others. He is certainly no tr****r, and I see treason as being the ultimate evil in ASOIAF.
     
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    Hmm, interesting point. If you've noticed, Tyrion is as arrogant as Jaime, Tywin, and Cersei are.

    "All his life Tyrion had prided himself on his cunning, the only gift the gods had seen fit to give him, and yet this seven-times-damned she-wolf Catelyn Stark had outwitted him at every turn. The knowledge was more galling than the bare fact of his abduction."

    There's a mixture of bitterness, resentment, and weary resignation there. He's resigned to his physical capabilities. Although I suspect that his pride in his wit and cunning was to give himself some encouragement when he was despised and ignored as a dwarf, he's bitter and resentful that the gods had somehow robbed or cheated him of what should of been his (a fit body).

    He also constantly repeats, "A Lannister always pays his debts," reminding himself to pay those who slighted him. Suffering probably tempered natural Lannister arrogance at being one of the most powerful Houses, and brought his good nature.

    This doesn't mean that I don't like Tyrion; in fact, he's one of my favorite characters in the book. And though his good nature is more overt, he does have his dark side.
     
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    I've made a list of quotes from pages I dog-earred while reading the series thus far (which may lead to a new thread soon - watch out!) and about 60% of them are Tyrion.

    Definately the wittiest character in the book.
     
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    Y-you dog eared the books?? Shame!! Hehe :D
     
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    If you think that's bad...

    My mom spilt something on ASoS and neglected to clean it up well. Then she sat something on top of it. About a week later I found it and had to tear them apart. So, ASoS is missing it's cover now. I was horrified.

    I figure I'll have to buy the hardcovers all together at some point.
     
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    How about just renewing them? I do it every couple of years for my fave's. I just can't stand seeing them worn and ugmo.
    I've just replaced about 23 books in the last month :D
     
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    I love Tyrion. Definately my favorite character.

    I feel bad for him because his life has sucked, but he's a smart little dude. He almost always finds a way to end on top.
     
  8. The Inviction

    The Inviction J-E-T-S, JETS! JETS! JETS

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    Hey Everyone, I'm new to the forum, its good to meet you all...

    Tyrion is my favorite character in the series, bar none. I think his wit is what makes him so likeable. Beyond that though, he is not blind with ambition like the rest of his family. Even though Jaime is going through a transformation of sorts, I still consider him a "bad guy." That may change...Either way, Tyrion seems to have a soul, which is a terribly lacking trait in the Seven Kingdoms. GRRM does a helluva job in maintaining Tyrion's image, which he doesn't do with every character. Whether or not this means he plans to keep Tyrion around for all seven books or not is open to speculation, but one thing should definately be addressed...Do you guys think that Tyrion is one of the three heads of the dragon? If you remember (I think it was in the House of the Undying Ones, in Qarth...) Dany is told that
    "The dragon has three heads..." GRRM implies that the 3 heads are people that Dany will meet in her attempts to re-take the Iron Throne, and that 2 others would ride her dragons along with her...could the dwarf be one of them? Anyhow, this is long-winded, and I'm sorry...
     
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    Don't apologise about being long-winded. The depth is great. I think a lot of us think it's very possible Tyrion will meet up with Dany along the way. I don't think I've really considered him as a candidate for a Dragon Head though ;)

    I personally would love it if he was.
     
  10. Elan Morin Tedronai

    Elan Morin Tedronai The Forsaken

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    Okay guys, I think its time for our next character discussion. Who should it be ? Sandor Clegane ? One of the Starks ?
     
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    My vote goes to Sandor!! No contest :D
     
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    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    OK, I was just browsing the "Not a Blog" section of the GRRM website and I came across this passage in an entry he made in May of this year.

    "Well, I made my appearance on Sheep Island a few hours ago, cleverly disguised as Tyrion the Imp for a reading and Q&A session at Bantam's virtual bookstore. Only this version of Tyrion could fly! Ah, if only the Tyrion in the books could fly, what mischief he will... ah... could... ah, never mind."

    I typically try not to read much into stuff like this but I was just wondering who might be flying around on a Dragon with Dany. Is he giving us a hint?
     
  13. LyannaWolfBlood

    LyannaWolfBlood Ella Dictadora

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    He could just be trying to mess with our heads. It could be a hint, but it might not be.