Character Discussion : Tyrion Lannister

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  1. Elan Morin Tedronai

    Elan Morin Tedronai The Forsaken

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    One of the most loved characters in all of A Song Of Ice And Fire is Tyrion Lannister. The enigmatic dwarf. Probably one of the most smart assed characters to jump out of any novel, his wit is what makes him so popular with the fans.

    However, despite his high birth he one of the characters who I pity. Constantly looked down upon and openly mocked by his own family, he has little friends and doesn't trust anyone, except his brother Jaime, who he looks up to. Even this faith, however, is shaken at the end of ASOS.

    By the end of the books, so far, Tyrion is escaping the Red Keep after murdering his father, and Shae. Where is he heading now ? What does his future hold ?
     
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    Yay Tyrion! By far one of my most fave chars.
    I'm torn between Tyrion heading to find Tysha to try and salvage what is left of his honour after becoming a Kinslayer, or just heading wherever his company takes him. Possibly off to Dorne? Even though he might want to be around to help Myrcella, it's hard to know where he'd be safe. I can only imagine what things Cersei has in mind for him.
    He also mentioned a few times during his imprisonment about heading to the Wall. Somehow I doubt that will happen. It's likely he'll head off to the free cities like most exiles etc do. It would be interesting - if he does - to see who he meets up with.
     
  3. Elan Morin Tedronai

    Elan Morin Tedronai The Forsaken

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    I think Varys says something about having ships waiting to take Tyrion to Free Cities, at the end of ASOS, but I can't recall. What will he do there anyway, meet up with Dany perhaps ? In order to get revenge on the Seven Kingdoms, who wronged him ? I doubt he's just gonna drop off the face of the earth for the rest of the series, he will have a big part to play.
     
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    He'll definately meet up with Dany if he doesn't go for Tysha, I think. Maybe he'll visit Illyrio. He seems to be around a bit at the moment, getting his nose in here and there.
    I wouldn't be surprised actually if Illyrio becomes a main in the novels to come either. Tyrion is definately doing to want to wipe out the Lannisters. All but himself of course :)
     
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    Something Ive wondered about Tyrion, though, is why did he admit to Jaime that he killed Joffrey ? Was it just to get back at him for his lies regarding Tysha ?
     
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    That was just to be a bastard. We know Tyrion didn't kill Joff. We also know from the last one of the last thoughts Tyrion had, that a part of him wanted to yell out that it was a lie (that he killed Joff). It was purely just anger at finding out the truth regarding Tysha.
     
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    Partially because he wanted to hurt him (for lying about Tysha), partially because he thought Jaime was the one person who wouldn't ask him.

    We know Illyrio has been meddling, wasn't he (or maybe one of his envoys, I can't remember) the one Varys was talking to when Arya overheard them in the tunnels? I always assumed Varys was his contact in the Kingdoms. Illyrio has also spent a huge amount of time and money on Dany and Viserys, he definitely has an aim in mind.

    Could Tyrion meet up with Arya? Or Mormont?

    Tyrion's main goal at present (apart from escaping) is revenge on Cersei.
     
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    I personally think he'll end up meeting up with Dany and her group. I'm not quite sure how. Adina has a point with Illyrio. Maybe he'll head there first. I'd be surprised if he didn't follow up with Tysha though.
     
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    He might follow up with Tysha, but he has no clue where she is (it has been years after all). It is also a bit too dangerous for him now after what he has done. So I believe he will end up going to the free cities first.
     
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    I think he's going to meet up with Dany, In ASOS we learn Varys Is taking him to his friends in the free cities and In AGOT Arya overhears Illyrio and Varys talking, That and Sir Jorah sents his reports on Dany to Varys so yeah, I think he's going to meet up with Dany:)
     
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    Interesting speculation, but I also think that he'll meet Sansa again. There were hints, after all. Tyrion was as gentle and kind as he could be to her, even when he had no reason to, and there was the passage when he "wanted her, girl or woman or whatever she was" (forgive me if I got the quote wrong; it's from memory, and I've been reading too much WoT). But I think that he'll end up swearing allegiance to Dany, if only to get back at the rest of the Lannisters. On the other hand, he had asked Tywin where Tysha had gone, which might mean that he's going to look for her.
     
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    I think their marriage will be annulled, there was too much made of the non-consummation for it not to be.
     
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    Probably yes, but I still think they'll meet again, if not as wife and husband.
     
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    Tyrion is my absolute favourite of all the characters. He is small, but his heart is huge. He certainly looks out for #1, but look at all the kindness he bestowed on Bran & Sansa, and befriended Jon. It's my opinion that he will find his way back to the Starks (either Sansa, Bran or Jon (ok, Jon's not a Stark)) And, I doubt ANY Lannister would be tolerated by Dany, should he choose to try and align himself with her....no matter what his motivation.
    What? By "little" friends, you mean he has found other dwarves???? :D Heh heh. I knew what you meant. But, I don't pity Tyrion. He is a survivor, and has lots going for him. He is book-smart and will survive. Unfortunately, he won't have any chapters in Feast. I was bitterly disappointed to hear this, but we will have to wait for A Dance With Dragons to read more about our favourite little dude.
    Yes, but he LOOKS UP to everyone! :D Sorry....couldn't resist. But Tyrion was always one for making wisecracks about his size. Self-pity didn't enter into his mind. I practically jumped up and cheered when Tyrion escaped and murdered the father that had never loved him. The good news is, that we will probably see A Dance With Dragons a lot sooner than it took to write Feast because GRRM has it almost half-written.

    I've presently decided to read (for the third time) the first 3 books again. I'm at the beginning of A Clash of Kings and I am enjoying it just as much, and picking up bits that I missed the first two times....
     
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    Welcome Hawkwind! I have to agree about Dany being wary about accepting a Lannister. His brother is the Kingslayer! The one who killed her father when he was supposed to be protecting him!

    But, she may be swayed somewhat when she learns he killed Tywin, especially if she also thinks he poisoned Joffrey. And she believes all her betrayals to be done...
     
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    Mmhmm, and welcome Hawkwind! I do agree with what you said, though, although I resent that "looking up" remark, as I happen to be a 4'11" gnome. :D Nah, just kidding about the resentment part, although I really am that short... :p
     
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    You're not the only one LDH, you're just the only one with an excuse (being half Japanese and all...). ;)

    It's all good, Tyrion is probably my favourite character, especially after re-reading 'The Hedge Knight', if things had turned out differently he could have been the greatest knight in the Realm, because he's not only very smart (like Littlefinger, a selfishly wasted talent) but has an unselfish and noble heart (like Jaime is discovering he has under his Lannister training).

    Had he but been born a 'whole' man he would have been ideal to take over from Barristan Selmy and a man even Eddard Stark would have looked up to...

    I find myself pitying Tyrion (though he would hate it) because but for an accident of birth, and everything that came after it, he could have been the best of men; and a man to lead the Seven Kingdoms as Hand.
     
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    Full Japanese, dear. Which makes one excuse x2. :p

    I'd better read the Hedge Knight... But about Tyrion. He probably could have made a very good Hand, but two problems. One: Robert didn't trust Lannisters. Two: Even if Tyrion had become Hand, there would have been too much influence from Tywin. After all, Tywin could have threatened him with some secret if Tyrion didn't do as his father commanded.
     
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    I think Tyrion was the one person who would stand up to Tywin in any way, everyone else was too scared of him. I think Robert was as well, the only other person who wasn't was Ned Stark.

    I didn't mean as Hand to Robert, he never would have names a Lannister if he didn't have to. Just as Hand in general. Hell, he'd have made a good king.
     
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    Lol... Tyrion as king just brings up a funny image...