Discussion in 'J.R.R. Tolkien / Lord of the Rings' started by Countess, Aug 5, 2006.
Is anyone else learning it??If not,would you like to?*
I've recently started learning and I like it.
yeesh...did you also learn Klingon?
No But I've got a few favorite frases,like Hab SoSlI' Quch, jIQum 'ej jIHoH and jachchoHmeH 'Iwraj penaghtaH (the best definitely )
are you for real?
what about Huttese? Also plan to learn that or do you already know that...I already know a few phrases...
Yes I am Tugi.Chuba ki naga ke ji isti?
Where I can I learn the black speech of mordor, and klingon, and huttese?
This might help, its a song by Summoning, who write about Tolkiens world, I presume they got the language right?
3. Mirdautas Vras
[Written in black language of Mordor]
Brus-kuluz taurzur bûrzu tiil-ob
Hush-ob dhurum agh ufum dhurum
Tor Vautu brus-troguz
Urgai-u gukh dûmp agh tiimor
Talaan-u rûk-ir tor urûk
Nauru-ir agh kragoru nûrsu grishûrz
Nork-ulu furtun agh goth
Ghaash agh akûl - Nazgûl skoiz
Karn ghaamp agh nût
Shaut Manwe quiinubat gukh
A Good Day To Kill
Dark have been my dreams of late
Of secret doubt and secret fear
A thousand years have passed away
To lay down doom and terror
To north ride on, a thousand orcs
On wolves with giant bloody fangs
They take the storm and power
Of Mordor through the world
They hold up high my ragged bannners
Still victory is not at hand
I shall fail no longer
Middleearth - My land!
Fire and Ice, the Nazgûl fly
It is a good day to kill!
(Painted) red is Earth and sky
Even Manwe will bow down
When last the day arrives,
Where Morgoths Hammer smashes down
On the age of elves and day of man
At the return of darkness and evil
Ask around.I started learning BS with my friend.The Klinon and Huttese,I don't know exactly,just came with when I started to interest more in SW,I guess.
Lol. HE will teach you some other things, not just that language... : perv :
Like what????Are you trying to say something?? :dragon:
No... We are in offtopic :devilbat:
As for as I know, Tolkien only made a few phrases and Orc names using the Black Speech. Anything you learn will not be of Tolkien origin, because in order to make a whole language off of the One Ring Inscription ( the sole example of pure Black Speech) would be impossible and would require the 'making up' of tons of words.
Not exactly.Tolkien has invented more than just pure names and few phrases and everything else is added by Tolkien language association or smth like that,and they say ''we appologise for words and sounds that have been added but it is all for development of the Black speeech''.
No, other than a few phrases, names, and the One Ring inscription, he didn't make any further advancements with the Black Speech. If you know differently, what book is it from?
Actually,some papers were found which expalin how to use the orkish and some grammatical rules.Everything else was developped using those papers.I'm learning the developped orkish and even if it isn't 100% Tolkien,I still want to learn it.If you think that its crap because it wasn't completely thought out by Tolkien,that's your opinion.Now please stop interrogating me because its tiresome.
I'm not attempting to interogate you, I have a love for linguistics, especially Tolkien based ones, and find it tiresome when people make things up about them. I will completely and full-heartedly accept that he wrote some papers on the grammatical terms of Orkish that were mysteriously found after his death, as long as you can point me in the direction to where I can read them myself.
I'd like to be directed also!
I'm studying J. R. R. Tolkien's cosmos, so I'm looking forward to introduce myself to the lost papers.
I do have a question however.
It's said that Sauron intended to devise the Black Speech in the Dark Years (i. e. the Second Age) as a language to spread among his minions; but he failed in the process.
Well, if he failed -- and the original form of the language was forgotten after his fall in the Battle of Dagorlad -- then how did it evolve after his return?
My initial presumption on the evolution of the Black Speech involved the Nazgûl, since they were the only servants of Sauron who never forsook the ancient form of the language.
But of course I could be wrong...
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