Black speech of Mordor

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  1. Countess

    Countess Sereg'wethrin

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    Is anyone else learning it??If not,would you like to?*
    I've recently started learning and I like it.
     
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    Cascador Who's Anakin?

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    yeesh...did you also learn Klingon?:D
     
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    Countess Sereg'wethrin

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    No :D But I've got a few favorite frases,like Hab SoSlI' Quch, jIQum 'ej jIHoH and jachchoHmeH 'Iwraj penaghtaH (the best definitely :D )
     
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    Cascador Who's Anakin?

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    are you for real?:D
    what about Huttese? Also plan to learn that or do you already know that...I already know a few phrases...
     
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    Countess Sereg'wethrin

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    Yes I am :D Tugi.Chuba ki naga ke ji isti? :D
     
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    Thrawn Von Sithius No longer a Newt

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    Where I can I learn the black speech of mordor, and klingon, and huttese?
     
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    bloodfiredeath Die by the Sword

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    This might help, its a song by Summoning, who write about Tolkiens world, I presume they got the language right?

    3. Mirdautas Vras

    [Written in black language of Mordor]

    Brus-kuluz taurzur bûrzu tiil-ob
    Hush-ob dhurum agh ufum dhurum
    Tor Vautu brus-troguz
    Urgai-u gukh dûmp agh tiimor

    Talaan-u rûk-ir tor urûk
    Nauru-ir agh kragoru nûrsu grishûrz
    Nork-ulu furtun agh goth
    Mordor-ob bot-tuk

    Ghaash agh akûl - Nazgûl skoiz
    Mirdautas vras!
    Karn ghaamp agh nût
    Shaut Manwe quiinubat gukh

    [Translation:]

    A Good Day To Kill

    Dark have been my dreams of late
    Of secret doubt and secret fear
    A thousand years have passed away
    To lay down doom and terror

    To north ride on, a thousand orcs
    On wolves with giant bloody fangs
    They take the storm and power
    Of Mordor through the world

    They hold up high my ragged bannners
    Still victory is not at hand
    I shall fail no longer
    Middleearth - My land!

    Fire and Ice, the Nazgûl fly
    It is a good day to kill!
    (Painted) red is Earth and sky
    Even Manwe will bow down

    When last the day arrives,
    Where Morgoths Hammer smashes down
    On the age of elves and day of man
    At the return of darkness and evil
     
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    Countess Sereg'wethrin

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    Ask around.I started learning BS with my friend.The Klinon and Huttese,I don't know exactly,just came with when I started to interest more in SW,I guess.
     
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    Lol. HE will teach you some other things, not just that language... : perv : :D
     
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    Like what????Are you trying to say something?? :dragon:
     
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    No... :p We are in offtopic :devilbat:
     
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    As for as I know, Tolkien only made a few phrases and Orc names using the Black Speech. Anything you learn will not be of Tolkien origin, because in order to make a whole language off of the One Ring Inscription ( the sole example of pure Black Speech) would be impossible and would require the 'making up' of tons of words.
     
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    Countess Sereg'wethrin

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    Not exactly.Tolkien has invented more than just pure names and few phrases and everything else is added by Tolkien language association or smth like that,and they say ''we appologise for words and sounds that have been added but it is all for development of the Black speeech''.
     
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    No, other than a few phrases, names, and the One Ring inscription, he didn't make any further advancements with the Black Speech. If you know differently, what book is it from?
     
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    Countess Sereg'wethrin

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    Actually,some papers were found which expalin how to use the orkish and some grammatical rules.Everything else was developped using those papers.I'm learning the developped orkish and even if it isn't 100% Tolkien,I still want to learn it.If you think that its crap because it wasn't completely thought out by Tolkien,that's your opinion.Now please stop interrogating me because its tiresome.
     
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    I'm not attempting to interogate you, I have a love for linguistics, especially Tolkien based ones, and find it tiresome when people make things up about them. I will completely and full-heartedly accept that he wrote some papers on the grammatical terms of Orkish that were mysteriously found after his death, as long as you can point me in the direction to where I can read them myself.
     
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    I'd like to be directed also! :)
    I'm studying J. R. R. Tolkien's cosmos, so I'm looking forward to introduce myself to the lost papers.

    I do have a question however.
    It's said that Sauron intended to devise the Black Speech in the Dark Years (i. e. the Second Age) as a language to spread among his minions; but he failed in the process.
    Well, if he failed -- and the original form of the language was forgotten after his fall in the Battle of Dagorlad -- then how did it evolve after his return?

    My initial presumption on the evolution of the Black Speech involved the Nazgûl, since they were the only servants of Sauron who never forsook the ancient form of the language.
    But of course I could be wrong... :)

    - Troubadour
     
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