best weapon in a battle?

Discussion in 'Polls' started by Greyjoy, Feb 25, 2005.

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which weapon

  1. a short handed blade

    7 vote(s)
    13.0%
  2. an axe

    7 vote(s)
    13.0%
  3. a bow and arrows

    13 vote(s)
    24.1%
  4. spear

    6 vote(s)
    11.1%
  5. an iron maiden

    2 vote(s)
    3.7%
  6. samurai sword

    16 vote(s)
    29.6%
  7. daggers

    3 vote(s)
    5.6%
  8. helmet with sharp point on it and shield with also a sharp point on it!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Anduril

    Anduril Flame of the West

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    I would normally prefer a sword, but becase I fence epee, the spear would actually come more naturally to me.
     
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    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    I swear I voted here already, but anyway.

    I would vote the use of a Samurai's weapons (Katana, Wakizashi, Tanto, etc.) because if you've trained well in using them for precise one hit kill cuts you'll do really well, but unless I've had many years experience using it, I doubt I would ever go into a battle using one. Since I'd more likely kill myself :S

    I'd most likely use a short sword, since they are a hell of a lot lighter than most weapons, and easier to train in and use than the Katana, etc.
     
  3. Anduril

    Anduril Flame of the West

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    I don't know that I agree that the katana is the "ultimate" sword. Personally, I prefer the english or german bastard sword. I guess I just really don't like the guard (or lack thereof) on the katana. My favorite guard of all time though is the guard on the Patton blade.
     
  4. Meteorain

    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    If you judge a sword by its "cutting potential" then yes I think the Katana would be regarded as the ultimate sword. Since it can deliver amazing one hit kills with a perfect slice. With a katana, you can chop a man across the neck, and it would be so straight, that the head would still sit on the neck (got that one from CSI :p)
     
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    Ah ya good old CSI :p
     
  6. Anduril

    Anduril Flame of the West

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    My coach has a rapier that will cut through a man's neck easily. And just so you know, cutting, say, through a bundle of reeds so that the top stays on after it is sliced depends more on the angle of the cut than the actual blade (or its heritage for that matter). This is just what I've learned from my experience with a duelist I train under.
     
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    I wouldn't know. Never tried it myself. Just saying what I saw. Can't believe everything you see on TV, but its a fairly accurate program. Yes the angle of the cut was also a factor in why the head still sat on the neck. But as I said, a Katana is meant for a one hit kill, and hence considered the best in that field.
     
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    Maybe. But not all casualties are dead men.
     
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    Hmm, sounds a bit "TV" to me. However truth is stranger than fiction, so who knows?

    For some good videos of a katana cutting tatami mats that apparently replicate human muscle, check out these links : http://www.bugei.com/subcategory_6.htm

    http://www.dojoofthefourwinds.com/video.html

    And this link shows the same guy cutting the same mats, with a straight edged european sword. Perhaps this will help debunk the theory that katanas are the best and that a straight edged European sword is a bad cutter:
    http://www.albion-swords.com/cutting-knight.htm

    I'd be very surprised if a katana blade was so thin and great at cutting as to keep a head on the body without it moving at all. You'd also have to strike at the perfect angle to shear through bone, between the vertebra, or hitting bone would make it a lot harder to cut through. Watching these videos, it could happen, but this guy's apparently a master swordsman, and some of his cuts are almost non-moving, but to cut through the bone of a neck and not move the head, it'd have to be one precise cut.
     
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    That's why using a Katana takes many years of experience. It's not exactly an easy weapon to perfect.
     
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    Ainuudar Death Knight of the Drow

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    a freakin gun haha...:D
     
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    Well from what I have read from various places, I have found that wielding a Katana effectively is harder than doing so with say a short sword.

    If you can find someone who is good with both weapons, giving an analysis of how easy it was training in the Katana and a European sword, and say they are about the same, then I can concede the point.

    It's just that the Katana is specialised in it's use i.e. Aiming to deliver that one hit kill blow. Whereas other weapons, can parry, and what not, so in a way its somewhat easier since you have a larger variety of moves you can perform with it.
     
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    Did you even watch those cutting videos I linked to?

    Same mats, same guy, different swords, same result. One hit with the european sword and you'd be just as dead.

    And if a katana is effectively harder to wield, and can't stand up to abuse as well as a european sword, then how exactly is it the better weapon?

    I've got some videos of martial artists using padded katana vs european swords, i'll link them tomorrow, gotta go for now.
     
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    Yuki ancient egypt is amazing

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    I think I'll go with the samurai sword.
     
  16. Anduril

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    Just an F.Y.I. You can break your wrist if you cut wrong with a katana. It takes a lot of practice to be able to cut effectively with a katana. And like Mububban said, most swords can give a one hit kill. And even the katana has a move where you cut the arm and then go for the vitals, hence making it a two-hit kill.

    Personally, one of my favorite swords would be a basket hilt broadsword. A little heavy, but that added protection gives you a lot of options.
     
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    I put bow and arrows, even though I would prefer a type of longsword. I don't know how to fight with a sword, so...
     
  18. Mububban

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    http://www.rsw.com.hk/basket-hilt-1.zip

    Here's the video of the katan vs a basket hilt broadsword. Obviously the skill of the different fighters has a lot to do with any fight, but I still found it interesting from a weaponry point of view. It's ~14MB.

    For those with broadband, there are some interesting videos from the site that makes the padded weapons: http://www.rsw.com.hk/videos.htm

    Lots of videos I haven't downloaded yet, including sword and buckler vs katana, 2 handed sword vs spear etc. All sorts of combos that might give those who've never fought hands-on before some sort of idea about length vs control vs speed vs leverage etc etc. Again, the fighters themselves will obviously influence the outcome, but still interesting to watch people smacking each other around :)
     
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  19. ElfmaidenPegasus

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    Bow and arrows. Shoot from the distance. Hope my back is to the wind to make my arrow go farther. so that if they are also fighting with a distance weapon they will be disuaded to fight me.
     
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    A crossbow at five yards. Should make a pretty big hole, no?