Banned Books - Your Thoughts?

Discussion in 'General Books' started by SapphireMoon, Sep 26, 2005.

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Should censorship be abolished?

Poll closed Nov 25, 2005.
  1. Yes. Everyone should have complete freedom to right and read what they want.

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  2. No. Governments should have control over what is censored.

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  3. For the most part, but not totally. Censorship can be benificial.

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  4. Other

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  1. kartaron

    kartaron Hunter / Gatherer

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    America isnt a democracy in the strictest sense of the word. And the country has several safeguards designed to defens against 'majority rule'. The most obvious is the electoral college.

    Youve made this point twice. Why would you think that only the jews are interested in banning the book? Hitler enslaved the majority of the continent of Europe.
     
  2. Dwimmerlaik

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    yes i know that, but the jews are the only ones you still hold a gruge against hitler .
     
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    kartaron Hunter / Gatherer

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    The why does Germany, with a population roughly .1% jewish, ban Mein Kampf?
     
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    .. because they dont want to remember hitler... and when most people say germany they think nazi.
     
  5. Bard

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    But in the end, people will do what they please. And banning books will turn them into criminals. We have free will if you haven't noticed and with it comes the choice and responsibility of relying on our self-control and discipline to do the right thing. Sure, not every one does it, but the number who does have self-control and discipline is greater than the irresponsible people.
     
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    What should we call ourselves? If a country has the right to hold things from their people who they are there for, then there is a big problem.
     
  7. Skyanide

    Skyanide The Big Meanie Staff Member

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    Um, a Republic.

    Which is why the Pledge of Allegiance is:

    What does that mean?
     
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    The US is a representative republic. Don't you guys have to take civics or history anymore?
     
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    I tend to disagree, banning books will not turn people into criminals, on the contrary, it will keep from being influenced by dangerous people. Although we do have the choice choose between right and wrong, this is usally warped as we get older. In the U.S, mant people are like sheep. MTV, Hollywood,music, games, all are such a powerful influenence that the people with selfcontrol will soon be just as muddled as the ones without.

    Books promoting relegious ideas or books severly critizing people may offened people, but those are not the ones that should be watched. It is better never to present the public with a book that could influence violence than to give it to them and hope that thier sense of right prevails.
     
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    I sensed a tone there that I didn't particularily like. I know what the Pledge of Allegiance is and I say it every day. Tell me, why exactly do we have the right to free press and free speech? I believe that we have ample rights, but stating that we are "free" is not really factual if we are told what we can and can't read.
     
  11. Skyanide

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    The tone you sensed was some disdain. If you say the Pledge of Allegiance every day, you should understand what it means.

    I am a US citizen, but spent all my life in Canada; and I know what it means.

    As what was said before:

    But you're not alone. Many people think the US is a Democracy when in fact it is not.

    As well, many think that "freedom of speech" and "freedom of the press" are universally open freedoms, which in fact they are not.

    If there was freedom of speech and press as many people think that it means, the security of your country would be at risk. There would be no such thing as "Top Secret" documents, etc.

    These "freedoms" have stricter connotations than most people realize.
     
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    If that is so(which I know it is), then it is a pity that other people from other countries come here and cause "problems" and try to defend themselves without be learned enough in American law with the "freedom of speech" and so forth.
     
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    I agree.
     
  14. Dwimmerlaik

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    Quote:
    I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
    and to the Republic for which it stands:
    one Nation indivisible,
    With Liberty and Justice for all.

    FYI its one nation under god, indivisble

    I pledge allegiance to the Flag
    of the United States of America,
    and to the Republic for which it stands:
    one Nation under God, indivisible,
    With Liberty and Justice for all.
     
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    Yes I know, I cut and pasted the original 1892 Pledge of Allegiance.

    It wasn't until 1954 that Eisenhower approved the addition of "Under God" to the pledge.
     
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    Back to banning ;)

    I dont beleive books should be banned. Im big on the passing of knowlegdge, of any kind, onto others. And if you ban books, that is a form of knowledge being kept from preople. then you have the whole freedom of speach thing, from which I gather has probaly been talked to death.

    In a nutshell:

    Knowledge is passed on mainly through writing, all knowledge is good even though it can be about not so good stuff. But we still learn from it, learn to mimic or learn not to mimic it.
     
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    If you've lived in Canada for more than 10 years and had kids there. You are not really American...and I'd know, because I was born in Toronto, but have lived down here in Georgia since I was 4.
    :) :)
     
  18. Skyanide

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    Actually, I have a US Birth certificate, and as long as I never renounce my US citizenship, I remain American. In Canada I have recognized dual citizenship, in the US I am considered American.

    You can research the laws (before assuming), I have. The circumstances are different between you and I, to "become" an American citizen (as you did), you must renounce other national ties. Not so in Canada. I was born an American citizen. That is the difference.
     
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    Ironically, Sky, I was born in Canada and still have my citizenship and I have an American citizenship. My dad has a tri-citizenship, because he is from Ireland and has American and Canadian citizenships...funny, eh?
     
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    We are straying far off topic, but just to interject.

    Canada recognizes dual citizenship, the USA does not, with the exception of First Nation Aboriginals. You will maintain your Canadian citizenship (in Canada) as long as you do not renounce it. However, if you have signed an Oath of Declaration (I believe that is the proper term) to become a naturalized American Citizen, that can be construed as a renunciation.

    Since you immigrated as a young child, you may become naturalized through your parents, in effect, have never officially renounced your birthright.

    In the US, because they do not recognize dual citizenship. (They know it exists, but it is not "recognized".) That being the case, do not get caught at the border entering the US in possession of both a Canadian and a US passport. Major no-no.

    The reason I had to research this was because at one time I was considering joining the USAF, my grandfather is a retired USAF Airman.
     
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