Awesome Morgul Lord Armour

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  1. crusader174

    crusader174 New Member

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    Re: Awesome Morgul Lord Armour!!!!!!!!

    IDAHO - I´ve seen Kropserkel´s page before this thread - I guess that´s where you bought your suit. They haven´t answered my mail yet and i´m super curious
    ? WHAT PRICES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE ARMOR PARTS full arms,full legs, vambraces,sabatons,gauntlets,greaves?
    Help me out here!
     
  2. Trackstud26

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    As a purchaser of Jeff Stelter's armor (Witchking Helm and Robe), I can say that his armor surpasses Kropserkel's in every way. His attention to detail can't be beat. Just compare the helm and leg armor :)
     
  3. Truthseeker

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    If you've only purchased the helmet & robe then I'm not sure how you can honestly say that it surpasses Kropserkel's in "every" way. Most of us can't compare the leg armor since Stelter Creative's is not yet on his/their website.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course. I'd personally go with the opinion of the guy who designed the armor for the films in the first place (John Howe recently paid a visit to the Kropserkel studio - see their website for details) but hey what do I know?

    Rich

    EDIT: Stelter Creative have posted their Nazgul leg armor (the cuisse & poleyn) on the Witchking Armor thread for those who wish to see it.
     
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  4. Partsandtechnical

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    Fyi for those seeking a direct one on one experience (wise for custom fitting) there is sound proof that one of the two links posted is actually a reseller /advertiser and does not actually make their own LOTR armor. I suspect this may be true for both of the links, due to numerous clues. Ive spoken to the wife of the gentleman who makes the actual armor for one site and they are very nice folks. In fact I when my own armor work load is full I have referred them them.

    Both made claims that they do the work, however Ive discussed this issue with a handful of high level armourers and experts who agree the proprietors of the sites in question have shown very little evidence or knowledge that would indicate a professional metal smith--DESPITE advertising and text that strongly insinuates the proprietors of at least one side makes the armor. (note that the language has steadily evolved over time to become a bit more suggestive of a "collaborative effort"....ding ding, ding). A detailed video of the seller making armour showing a definate knowledge would prove this, and has been challenged, yet to date the challenge has not been met; photos and/or simply banging on a piece of metal doesnt quite cut it.

    As an armourer myself who has made LOTR armor and done so for a promotional event as well as an upcoming European event, I share the view of hundreds of armourers and reproduction specialists do not apprecaite it when others take credit for artist work and, as one of the links above did, lied about it too. Bad form. Its hard enough being an artist as it is, less others take credit for ones work. Its one thing to resell via retail but its another to claim the work as one's own. No different than all the Made in China, Made in Mexico, Made in USA....or Made by Sony, Nike, Lladro, Johnson and Johnson. If a store sells goods, those goods invariably show who the maker is, and where its made.

    As for the differences in the armor, gentlemen remember that armour is handmade. As such each version is slightly distinct from the next. My original nazgul gauntlets are just slightly different from the latest ones I made. Its the nature of the beast. But personally that also means each piece is unique in its own right.

    Again, when it comes to something that is custom built, often to measurements or specifications, and is an otherwise expensive commission....trust someone who knows the craft intimately and to whom you can ask your questions directly. This is just common sense. Armor that is hand forged is an ancient craft that only the armourer will truly know how to help you when it comes to details.
     
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  5. WitchyKingofAngmar

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    Let me assure you that Jeff Stelter's work is genuine. I have talked to him and he is actually looking to hire people for his shop, so that he may in fact dedicate most of his time to armorsmithing. I have even purchased pieces of armor from him (Witchking helm is amazing!) I don't know about Kropserkel, but assuming that Jeff Stelter doesn't make his own armor just because he hasn't "shown" much evidence of how he does it, is just ridiculous. Please don't mar others names just because you have "talked" to other professionals who may in fact just be envious of Jeff's work. As a loyal customer of Jeff's, I stick by my man, and I'm not trying to displace your position or opinion, but I'm quite sure you were mistaken by saying Jeff has not actually made his own armor.
     
  6. Partsandtechnical

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    Stetler Creative Woodworks/Jeff tried posting pictures of his "work" that some believed in fact to be the work of someone else.

    He was then grilled pretty hard about how he made the armour and to show his workshop. I, as an armourer, in turn asked him some pretty hard hitting armourer questions as well for which he had absolutely no response, nor did he express any knowledge of the craft which was curious to say the least.

    When asked to show his workshop where he worked, he provided pictures but overlooked one key thing: there was absolutely no evidence of anvil, correct tools, stakes, or the dozens of hammers (soon thereafter he posted a rather 'staged' looking photo of someone working on an anvil). When asked what typical ball pein weights he used flare his pieces he replied "a 20 oz ball pein." Tell that to an real armouer and they'll give you an amused smile.

    There are also many actual armourers and guild members who found the claims very alarming.

    He also used suspciously similar pictures as Kropserkel when initially advertising on certain weboards..... until he took new ones now on the site. Clue anyone?

    The evidince seemed pretty clear....then he Stetler/Jeff disappeared.

    Anyone is free to not believe me or call me a liar. I dont care. I invite anyone to visit both Kropserkels and Stetlers websites, then look up "Thak armourer" on google. Bear in mind that each piece of armor can be customized or modified so each piece will naturally be a bit different from the next, yet the hallmark of an armourer is always evident as would be an apparent ignorance of the craft from someone who is not an armourer. Numerous armourers concur with my findings so Im hardly alone. There are differences in the patina or finish but that part is easy and can be done by anyone.

    My personal opinion is that the photo on the Stetler armor page seems so utterly 'posed' it seems ridiculous to be a real armour workshop. Armor workshops tend to have certain charactoristics about them. If anyone would like to know why it seems faked, PM me. Id be happy to show you the apparent clues.

    Got nothing against any of these blokes. If somone is a dealer, fine. If they commission work and resell fine.....I just hope such resellers or dealers dont mislead people about it as appears to be the case. But then again, thats just my opinion...you be the judge through careful comparison. Caveat emptor, as they say.
     
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  7. Thak the Armourer

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    Thank-you Parts and Technical ;) for your kind words. I enjoyed our past conversation. This is Thak's wife. I came across this forum doing research on search engines for our business since I am in charge of our website and promoting. Only just learning how to run the site this year, I am finally able to really get our name "out there". I wish to thank everyone who has contacted us with your wonderfully positive feedback. Robb is so happy to be pursuing his dream of armouring and it is amazing and humbling to see all the great talent from fellow armourers. It really takes a lot of time, love and dedication...and always improvement. With all the different approaches, styles and techniques, we are so lucky through the web to be able to view and appreciate the amazing artists who allow their stuff to be viewed and unfortunately critiqued, but that comes with the job. Anyways, just wanted to drop in and say hello and please drop us a line. We haven't had a lot of time for conventions with business growth and expansion, but this coming year we will definitely be out and about meeting all you fellow armour enthusiasts.

    Angie Martin
     
  8. Partsandtechnical

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    Hi Angie !!


    Excellant to to see you guys here! Maybe now we can clear up some of the misconceptions about armor, how its made, and who makes it lol :)



    :draught:

    Drew
    PartsandTechnical.com
     
  9. HybridK03

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    Huh. Wow, I'm almost speechless. I bought some stuff from Stelter and I love it. I never thought that he might not be the one making it. I guess I don't really care, except for it was very expensive and if I could have saved $100 or so I would have liked to go straight to the source. If that is an option, that is.

    I guess I'll search for the Thak website now.
     
  10. Partsandtechnical

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    Yeah I think its more the spirit of the thing Hybrid


    Making high quality armor is not simple. Even the most gifted armourers spend years on their technique to not only figure out how to work a piece from scratch but then to replicate something as closely as possible.

    So when someone like Thak makes something, I -as an armourer- can appreciate his work, his experiences and his insight. I know what he had to think and go through to effectively make something, much less an excellant reproduction. When somoene claims something they didnt make its disengenous to frankly disrespectful to those who truely put in the thousands upon thousands of hours, blisters, blood sweat and tears, research, reading, examination....yada yada yada.... Stetler is a creative guy, no doubt. Im sure he is a nice guy too. But I personaly dont believe there is anything wrong with being a reseller. You dont have to tell anyone where the stuff comes from...just dont claim it as your own hand forged work.

    :draught:
    P/T
     
  11. elrondelendil

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    Hi!

    Did any1 order a Witchking mace (or anything else) from Stelter?

    I did, but I now feel scammed. Near 3 months later, no further "commission updates" and this is becoming very frustrating!
     
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