I didn't mean to imply that suicide and alcoholism were the same thing, though I can see why you thought so from my post. The mechanism is different. The end result is the same in many cases. That is the point I was trying to make. That's a fascinating thought but I can't wrap my head around the contradiction inherent in how a religion could see a soul as being undone by suicide. The religions I've encountered teach that the death of the body only frees the soul, not that death eradicates it altogether. I suppose those religions could regard suicide as a crime against God by rejecting the gift of an earthly life, but not as a destruction of the soul. I think "sin" gets that distinction for a lot of religions. Other religions imply that nothing can destroy the soul. Actually, I can think of one example to the contrary. Richard Dawkins brand of atheism teaches there is nothing beyond death so I suppose we could infer that suicide really does end a "soul" if one follows his belief system. ("Soul" in this case meaning an organic body that was alive, since Dawkins preaches there is nothing more to a person than that.) I wonder how Dawkins' religion regards suicide? Certainly not as a crime against God, since they believe there is no God, but perhaps they look to the prophet Darwin for answers instead????? (If anyone doubts that Dawkins has created a belief system out of atheism, I encourage you to check out his book "The God Delusion" and come to your own conclusions. Imagine my surprise to discover I was reading an atheist bible...complete with its own set of commandments and advice for raising my children!) Still, I think it would be interesting to study the dominant belief system of different nations and how it relates to their policies surrounding suicide. You might be onto something there Tur! Do you mean in the case of alcoholism? I'm going to let this go and agree to disagree. The issue is just too emotionally charged for me. Or possibly do you mean that government shouldn't make laws at all? As I said before, it comes down to where society draws the line between personal freedom and safety. Not everybody agrees as to where that line should be drawn, but every society has to figure it out. Otherwise, anarchy would rule. Oh Oddy, I'm so sorry to hear that you have to live with that kind of health problem. Autoimmune disease really sucks!!!! One could argue that there are people who can't choose not to vaccinate themselves either though. My son had chicken pox when he was 18 mos old and we both endured 3 days of hell (itchy baby!!! GAH!!!) until he got over it. By the time my daughter came along there was a vaccine for it. I'm definitely not an anti-vaccination sort of person so I took her to get the vaccine. After the first dose she got soooooo sick and when the doctor treated her for that she had a reaction to the medication he put her on. To make a long story short, the vaccination side effects were way worse than the chicken pox the vaccine was meant to prevent. Being a toddler, she was incapable of making an informed decision on whether or not she should be vaccinated, so the doctor and I made it for her. In her case, we made the wrong decision. Needless to say, she never got the booster vaccine! Now the risk of side effects (especially lethal ones) from any vaccine is very low, but that experience taught me that it can REALLY suck when you happen to be the minority that gets them. As a result, I no longer jump at the chance to get every vaccine they come out with these days, regardless of the "herd health" implications of my choice. I only vaccinate myself and my kids for the "highly likely to be lethal or disabling" diseases. The risks and benefits of giving any vaccine should be carefully weighed for each individual, but since there is risk involved, I think everybody has the right to say whether they're willing to take it or not. There's just no way to help it if people are making that decision based on misinformation. Darn it all, there's that line that society has to draw between personal freedom and "herd health" again.... Oh I dunno....... With the massive amount of information collected under the guise of "marketing" these days, I just have to wonder.