Minas Tirith's defenses

OrcShaman · 06-08-2005, 05:35 PM

Well, they sucked! From the Anduin to the city's walls there was no obstacle to stop the Mordor army. The huge siege towers could of been at least slowed down if not fully stoped by a simple ditch, for Christ's sake. On the river's banks, where the orcs landed, there wasn't a single defensive position, no palisades, tranches, spikes, traps, nothing. What the hell the people of Gondor were thinking?????

Lady_of_Shalott · 06-08-2005, 08:14 PM

One word: Denethor.

Kinda frustrating, because they were way more prepared in the book, but it had to be a desperate fight. Makes for a better movie.

OrcShaman · 06-08-2005, 09:09 PM

Yeah, but the fight didn't start during Denethor's reign, it was much older. In the movie is kinda dissapointing to see the Pellenor Field flat as a sheet of paper, without a trace of defensive positions. Even a blind rat could of gotten to the walls without even breaking a sweat

Elan Morin Tedronai · 06-09-2005, 12:56 AM

Well, there was the Rammas Echor, but that doesnt seem to have been included in the movie.

OrcShaman · 06-09-2005, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Elan Morin Tedronai

Well, there was the Rammas Echor, but that doesnt seem to have been included in the movie.

I was talking exclusively about the movie

kartaron · 06-09-2005, 01:29 AM

The city was the defensive fortification. The entire point of those walls were that if you secured a breech of the virtually impenetrable gates you had to fight your way down narrow streets against defenders who always had tactical advantage.

It was the conceited act of defending the indefensible that got most of the Gondorian army killed in the first place. They had expected to hold the attackers at the Anduin but were overrun swiftly.

OrcShaman · 06-09-2005, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kartaron

The city was the defensive fortification. The entire point of those walls were that if you secured a breech of the virtually impenetrable gates you had to fight your way down narrow streets against defenders who always had tactical advantage.

It was the conceited act of defending the indefensible that got most of the Gondorian army killed in the first place. They had expected to hold the attackers at the Anduin but were overrun swiftly.

Yeah, but they had like 1000 miles of plain infront of the city, they could of done something with it. And what kind of fortification is that without a moat??

Lady Dark Moon · 06-21-2005, 04:48 PM

they weren't expecting Sauron to gain power so quickly. apparently Minas Tirith has never been defeated before, unless I'm mistaken. so the people in the city grow naive and besides the steward's a damn loser - what can you expect?

Anduril · 06-23-2005, 12:11 PM

Besides, Minas Tirith was only breached once in its history. Compare that record to most defensive structures in Europe.

06-08-2005, 05:35 PM	#1
OrcShaman Star Trek addict Noble Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Romania Posts: 3,033	Minas Tirith's defenses Well, they sucked! From the Anduin to the city's walls there was no obstacle to stop the Mordor army. The huge siege towers could of been at least slowed down if not fully stoped by a simple ditch, for Christ's sake. On the river's banks, where the orcs landed, there wasn't a single defensive position, no palisades, tranches, spikes, traps, nothing. What the hell the people of Gondor were thinking????? __________________

06-08-2005, 08:14 PM	#2
Lady_of_Shalott Weaving the Magic Web Royal of Elysium Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 8,235	Re: Minas Tirith's defenses One word: Denethor. Kinda frustrating, because they were way more prepared in the book, but it had to be a desperate fight. Makes for a better movie. __________________ "Imagination is best fed by reality, an odd diet for something nonexistent; there are few details of daily life and its broad range of emotional context that can't be transformed into food for the imagination" - Patricia McKillip

06-08-2005, 09:09 PM	#3
OrcShaman Star Trek addict Noble Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Romania Posts: 3,033	Re: Minas Tirith's defenses Yeah, but the fight didn't start during Denethor's reign, it was much older. In the movie is kinda dissapointing to see the Pellenor Field flat as a sheet of paper, without a trace of defensive positions. Even a blind rat could of gotten to the walls without even breaking a sweat __________________

06-09-2005, 12:56 AM	#4
Elan Morin Tedronai The Forsaken Royal of Elysium Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sydney Posts: 7,747	Re: Minas Tirith's defenses Well, there was the Rammas Echor, but that doesnt seem to have been included in the movie. __________________

06-09-2005, 01:29 AM	#6
kartaron Hunter / Gatherer Noble Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,293	Re: Minas Tirith's defenses The city was the defensive fortification. The entire point of those walls were that if you secured a breech of the virtually impenetrable gates you had to fight your way down narrow streets against defenders who always had tactical advantage. It was the conceited act of defending the indefensible that got most of the Gondorian army killed in the first place. They had expected to hold the attackers at the Anduin but were overrun swiftly. __________________ If I saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, his arms trembling, knees buckling--what would I tell him to do? ...To shrug.

06-21-2005, 04:48 PM	#8
Lady Dark Moon Goddess of Black Magic Ranger Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: standing right beside you Posts: 355	Re: Minas Tirith's defenses they weren't expecting Sauron to gain power so quickly. apparently Minas Tirith has never been defeated before, unless I'm mistaken. so the people in the city grow naive and besides the steward's a damn loser - what can you expect? __________________

06-23-2005, 12:11 PM	#9
Anduril Flame of the West Noble Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oxford, U.K. Posts: 2,346	Re: Minas Tirith's defenses Besides, Minas Tirith was only breached once in its history. Compare that record to most defensive structures in Europe. __________________ ~Anduril~ Flame of the West Owner of the Aragorn Collection: Limited Edition Andúril #2,369 of 5,000, Strider's ranger sword, and Gud Daedheloth.

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